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Old 08-25-2017, 08:44 AM
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A Positive Breakthrough with Oreo

2 things: First of all, on walks I've been exposing Oreo to more people & dogs. Closer distances, walking on the same side of the street, talking to people without acknowledging my dog but letting him feel out the situation...that kind of thing. So far so good. Yesterday I had a breakthrough with Oreo where I took him on a walk with a friend & her young daughter. I remained calm (an important thing I learned) & watched Oreo closely. My friend's daughter wanted to immediately pet my dog but I told her to give him a few minutes to warm up to her. I think this made all the difference because it didn't take long for Oreo to start wagging his tail. The walk went well overall. The only time I noticed Oreo get a little nervous was when my friend's daughter got a bit jumpy & came up behind him. I redirected Oreo right away, however, & he was fine. Yea!!! I've been trying to expose him to other things too, like the garbage truck. Every time it would come down our block, Oreo would bark & growl. Now I simply say, Oreo, do you want to see the truck? Then I open my door & let him look outside. He'll look at it for a few seconds, then lie down as if it never phased him. We noticed this too with our drumset. My son plays the drums & at first Oreo would go crazy & jump up barking & growling every time he heard them. Now, though, he perks his head up for a moment, but with a quick redirection he no longer barks & growls! Woo hoo!!! So, we've conquered a major hurdle with this issue, but we now have a new problem. Pooping & peeing in the house at night when we're sleeping. We don't think this is a problem of not being able to hold it at night, we think it's more an issue of marking. The other night, I had left a laundry basket of folded clean clothes on my bedroom floor with the intention of putting them away in the morning. Well, I woke up to find that Oreo had peed on them. We also found poop & pee in our sons' room. Not acceptable. So last night we put Oreo in his crate for the whole night knowing he wouldn't poop or pee in there unless he had a physical problem & couldn't hold it. Well, he was great the whole night (9 hours since the last time he went out) with no accidents or barking. We also took his food & water away earlier than usual to see if that would help. Let's hope this is the start to no more accidents in the house!
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Arrow I'd try to avoid limiting H2O availability

Break-thrus sound GREAT, congratulations!

OTOH, i'm not keen on free-feeding, as it results in "free stooling" - he can't let himself out of the house on-leash to potty, so SCHEDULED meals are important, as food input at regular intervals helps BMs to occur at more-consistent intervals, so U can expect & plan for them.

"taking his food earlier", below, implies that he eats from a standing reservoir of dry kibble, vs eating meals at the same approx time each day, 2X / day, & is only given training-tidbits between meals.

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...last night we put Oreo in his crate for the whole night knowing he wouldn't poop or pee in there unless he had a physical problem & couldn't hold it.

...he was great the whole night (9 hours since the last time he went out) with no accidents or barking.

We also took his food & water away earlier than usual to see if that would help.
Let's hope this is the start to no more accidents in the house!
9 hours is a very long overnight! - Try to take him out to pee the very last thing B4 bed, & then in the AM, again take him out the very 1st thing - pause to empty Ur own bladder, then get him OUT on-leash to void.
Put a robe over PJs or a coat on, slip shoes on, grab the leash & get out there, so he's not straining to "hold it".

U can always get up to pee early for Urself, then take him out - takes 5 minutes or so - & go back to bed.
He's comfy, empty, & can have a chewie or a stuffed Kong when he's returned to his crate.

re limiting water:
I would not suggest taking his water away IF THE HOUSE IS NOT climate-controlled - IOW, if U don't have AC, he needs water available at all times. // U can offer him a bowl of solid ice for overnight, which will slowly melt & stay cool a long time, or if he tends to spill a bowl of liquid H2O, get him a dog-sized bunny bottle with a S/S ball-tipped spout, so he can lick the spout to dispense water a little at a time.

Also, his water should not be taken away more than 2-hours B4 bedtime, assuming an 8-hour 'overnight' without water..
That would make a total of 10-hours without water, in an air-conditioned home, at 72 to 75'F - if it's any warmer in the house, he needs a solid-ice bowl or a bunny-bottle with a dog-sized spigot.

Limiting water can get into all sorts of problems, from electrolyte imbalances, heart arrhythmias, & dehydration, to constipation, hemorrhoids, & bowel impactions.
Making him "dry out" at night & extremely-thirsty in the morning can mean drinking too quickly & vomiting it right back up. He's thirsty, gulps it down too quickly, then regurgitates it.


Simply crating him, without lifting his water, should prevent any night-time voiding indoors,
but please don't ask him to wait more than 8-hours at a stretch - we humans can use our indoor toilets at will; he must wait for someone to take him outside for relief.
If he gets too uncomfortable & voids in his crate, U risk wrecking his innate desire to keep his sleeping place clean, & then U're really in trouble.

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Yesterday I had a breakthrough with Oreo where I took him on a walk with a friend & her young daughter. I remained calm (an important thing I learned) & watched Oreo closely. My friend's daughter wanted to immediately pet my dog but I told her to give him a few minutes to warm up to her. I think this made all the difference
Calm, cool and collected tends to win the day. It is a rewarding experience when you see the positive effects as well as a compliment of sorts from your dog as he finds his calm via your untroubled attitude. There is no faking when it comes to whether a handler is calm or uptight, a dog will see right through any pretending, so, much of your dog's success is contingent on you truly having the proper attitude and "pulse rate". Sounds like a win/win. Nice.
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Thank you, Terry. Oreo went to the vet again today (he needed 2 more shots). It didn't go as smoothly as we'd like when he growled & tried to nip at the tech. Not good. The vet handled him well, though, & fortunately didn't have to muzzle him. I love this vet by the way. He's so thorough & extremely patient. After this, my son had a friend over. This is the second time he met Oreo. The first meeting was a bit nerve wracking as Oreo kept growling at this poor kid. This time, though, was a lot better. Oreo growled at first but gradually warmed up as this kid was very patient yet determined to let Oreo know he was a good guy. What a brave kid! Before long the tail was wagging & we were able to let Oreo off the leash. He did great, but I have to say he's the most attentive dog I've ever had. Every move this kid made & he was there watching. He's definitely still cautious around people he doesn't know. As for taking the food/water away, the vet said what you said. 2 scheduled feedings (morning & evening) & leave the water out longer. Crating is fine at night. I said 9 hours because the last walk of the day is usually 9:30 p.m. & we get up in the morning around 6/6:30. We do have a fenced in yard but Oreo won't pee/poop in the yard. It would make life so much easier if he did. I can try to walk him at 10 p.m. & then in the morning at 6:00 (8 hours). Considering we've only had Oreo for just over a month, I think we're doing pretty good. I hope we can get these issues worked out before too long though. Thank you again, Terry for all your great advice.
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Lightbulb re-teach "where to go"

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...I said 9 hours because the last walk of the day is usually 9:30 p.m. & we get up in the morning around 6/6:30.

We do have a fenced yard, but Oreo won't pee/ poop in the yard. It would make life so much easier if he did.
I can try to walk him at 10 p.m. & then in the morning at 6:00 (8 hours).

Considering we've only had Oreo for just over a month, I think we're doing pretty good.
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I'd try to walk him one last time later, & then in the early-AM -
he can eat his brekkie from a Kong while U go back to bed.

re the yard -
teach him that his WALK is the payoff for VOIDING at home.
Easy-peasy, play ping-pong till he goes, then go for that walk.

Take him out on leash, when he's "due" to pee or poop; wait 5 to 10-mins -- No dice?
back inside, crate him, wait 10-mins, back out on leash... Repeat ad infinitum, TILL HE GOES - then give warm sincere praise, & go directly out the gate for a lovely walk.

It won't take him long to get the concept - plus, now U can put pee / poop on cue, & have an emergency "empty" cue so that he can be crated for a few hours on short notice, when something unexpected happens.

Ex:
Ur kid knocks a tooth out - U need to get to the dentist ASAP, to get it back in the gum-socket quickly. // Leash the dog, go outside, cue "toilet", & less than 5-mins later, the dog's empty, comfy, & crated with a stuffed Kong, pre-made in the freezer; U're in the car headed to the dentist's office, kid & tooth to be reunited.

The other Big Advantage? - in truly foul weather, he will void quickly at home, & U can both hustle back indoors, out of the frigid cold / drenching rain / intense heat / _____ .

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Thank you, Drive Dog. I'm learning to stay calm. It's not always easy, but I'm trying. It helps when the other person is calm as well. A double bonus. ?
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Terry, I love your ideas for getting my dog to potty in the yard. You're right, anything could happen so this would definitely make things a lot easier. Thank you.
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Update: Getting my dog to potty in the yard didn't go so well. From the crate where Oreo slept last night to the yard, he was put on a leash & brought out at 6 a.m. We walked around the yard for several minutes with no success. Then it was back inside & in the crate. A few minutes later, we went back to the yard & still nothing. So it was back to the crate again. We kept this up til 8 a.m. Note: Oreo had full access to water. Finally, I gave in & walked him. He peed almost instantly once we got to a tree not far from our house. I praised him with a treat, then continued walking him a few blocks where he peed at least 4-5 more times along the way. I realize this defeated the whole purpose of trying to get him to go in the yard, but after 2 hours, I couldn't stand there & let him 1. not pee & 2. take any more time up. I wonder if Oreo associates the yard with our house & thinks he shouldn't be pottying there, or he's just become accustomed to stopping & smelling along his walks & therefore "marks" (if that's in fact what he's doing. Secondly, the feeding schedule. This went well. After we came back from our walk, I gave Oreo his food. He appeared hungry & ate a good amount but didn't finish what was in his dish. At this point, should I be taking his food away? In other words, how long should I leave the food out before removing it between feedings? I'll try again in the morning to get Oreo to potty in the yard. So far so good, though, with the crate. No accidents at night. Let's hope it stays this way.
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I think you're figuring out your dog's thought process and how he tries to get what he wants.
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He's definitely stubborn, that's for sure.
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