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Old 10-03-2017, 02:45 PM
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Poops when we go out and eats it!!

Hi everyone,

Muffin is nearly 1yo and has been mostly fine on his own until recently. I let him out immediately before we leave the house every time and leave him a bowl of treats that he only gets when we're gone. He has started pooping when we go out. We initially told him off every time, but then he started getting upset when he was left on his own and did poop. We stopped telling him off and then it became a habit!! We tried telling him off again and so now he eats the whole poop before we get home.

I just don't know what to do anymore!! I go out for not even 10 minutes and he's pooped in the kitchen and it's been eaten. Other than the pooping, he's very quiet when we go out. We bought a nanny cam and check in on him while we're gone and he's quietly sitting in his bed. I'm getting so sick of filling my house with air freshener and cleaning up his poop every time we're out...

Please help me!!! This never happened with any of our other dogs...

Thank you,
Charlotte xx
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Old 10-05-2017, 04:13 PM
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Please don't tell him off. The dog is VERY rarely to blame. It's quite a common problem. My young dogs (4 months old) have a cage they sleep in and they very rarely poo in it. When we go out we leave the cage open for them to sleep in and they then go outside onto our balcony to do a jobbies. They need to have 2 clearly separate areas for 1. living/sleeping and 2. pooing. If you are working, you need to spend time at the weekend working on house training. Praise your dog every time he gets it right and ignore it when he gets it wrong. It can take quite a while but he will respond much better if you use praise (and maybe treats) more and never resort to punishment. All you need is love!
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Old 10-05-2017, 05:59 PM
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Lightbulb Rx: Airline-approved shipping crate AKA kennel

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Muffin is nearly 1-YO & has been mostly fine on his own until recently.

I let him out immediately before we leave the house every time, then leave a bowl of treats that he only gets when we're gone. He's started pooping when we go out.

We initially told him off every time, but then he started getting upset when he was left on his own and did poop.
We stopped telling him off ... then it became a habit!! We tried telling him off again - now, he eats the whole poop, before we get home.

I just don't know what to do anymore!!
I go out for not even 10 minutes, & he's pooped in the kitchen, & it's been eaten.
Other than poop-when-solo, he's very quiet [& good] when [left alone].

We bought a nanny-cam & check on him while we're gone... he's quietly sitting in his bed.
I'm ... sick of filling my house with air freshener, & cleaning up poop every time we [return]...
I'm not being facetious, & i do understand that U are frustrated, but he can't *both* be eating it every time, AND leaving poop for U to clean up - it can only be one or the other. He poops & leaves it there, or he poops & eats it. Personally, i'd rather clean it up myself than have my dog ingest it - as their breath reeks when they eat feces, & it's not hygienic.

unfortunately, U caused the problem.
I'm not belaboring the point, but U really can't blame the dog - it's not his fault; U punished him, & he did the only thing he could, in response: he learned to hide the evidence, as a way to avoid punishment.
It's just like folks who moan that their dog slips behind the sofa to void; that's whatcha get when U rub the dog's nose in their waste, shout, smack bums, etc. *shrug* It's called "shy eliminator", & U better believe that getting a stool specimen or urine sample from such a dog is a real PITA, for all concerned.

At this point, U need to start over, as if he's 8-WO; put him on a schedule, out every 2-hours when U are at home, ON LEASH; reward every ounce of urine or stool outside, on the spot; i'd suggest a jackpot for all outdoor stools.


U also need to make BEING HOME ALONE a happy, safe thing - no more scolding, & he needs pos-R just for being solo, when U are at home - so he can 'practice'.

Does he have a crate? --
a shipping crate, not a show AKA wire crate [show-crates are flat welded rod panels which come apart or fold for storage].
I'd buy one if he has none; it's the par excellence for safe transport, it's light & easily cleaned / disinfected, it won't leak, the bottom half is solid & prevents floor-level drafts, the upper half is well-ventilated with slots [preferred] or wire-mesh windows [over years of use, these may rust].
An airline-approved shipping crate will last practically forever - 2 decades, easy, if used indoors [UV will make the resin brittle, so outdoor use shortens its lifespan].

Look on the local FreeCycle for a giveaway of the apropos size; try on the floor models at the nearest Big-Box pet supply, to see what size is a good fit. A crate that he can enter, U-turn, & exit is good - if he must BACK OUT, it's too small.
He shouldn't be able to lift his head to full height; a doorway that's a few inches taller than his height at the shoulder is fine, the interior is taller than the door.
Length is in proportion to height, as is width.

If there are no freebies, search for a used crate in his size on CraigsList, eBay, preLoved, GumTree, or other classified-ad websites. A used crate will save approx 1/2 the cost of new.
If any hardware to secure the upper & lower halves is missing, it's cheap & easy to replace - short bolts & butterfly nuts at any hardware store that sells SINGLE UNITS are cheap, or use RE-USABLE cable ties that open to be "unzipped".

teach him that his crate is his safe place - no matter what he ever does in his life, if he runs to his crate, NOTHING BAD EVER HAPPENS. If he breaks Great-great-grandmother's crystal pitcher, & goes to his crate, U DO NOT SAY A WORD, U don't shout, swear at him, slam doors, stomp while walking - nothing, nada.
He eats there, he sleeps there in safety, he gets good long-lasting chewies & busywork in his crate [antlers, hooves, sterilized thick-walled marrowbones, frozen-&-thawed raw beef knuckles, stuffed-&-frozen Kongs, _____ ].

Buy a copy of CRATE GAMES & do the exercises!
https://www.amazon.com/Susan-Garrett.../dp/B0013GJJG6

Now, when U leave, crate him - he is very unlikely to stool in his sleeping space, the floor will be clean, he is safe & can relax.

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We have crate trained him but he hates being left in it when we go out. He loves being in it normally but as soon as we leave the house he howls and bites the bars. Without the cage, he's perfectly happy sitting in his bed watching for us to come home.

Yes, he eats the poop, but he has obviously done a poop because there is a wet brown line on the floor and a bad stink.

I've started putting on some kind of special dog music for him when I go out which he seems to like, and when I let him outside for the toilet, I've been rewarding him again like when he was a puppy. The positive reinforcement of a reward when he goes outside seems to be working and encouraging him to hold it until we're home so he can get the treat.
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Getting back to the OP's subject: coprophagia in dogs and how to deal with it. Wittgenstein is correct as it can be a fairly common problem. It generally starts when they are pups, if you choose to research the "reasons" why they do it, you actually might find it interesting but probably solving this issue would be of more interest to you instead of being lectured.

The old saying about any attention a dog gets whether it is good or bad is still attention to the dog. This may be in play with your dog due to past practices. Get your dog properly housebroken again and proceed with the remedy.

There are numerous approaches, anywhere from diet supplementation to additives to their food which makes their crap taste crappier, hard to imagine huh?

I remember with my first dog trying the additive to the dog's food to make their poop "unpleasant" tasting, it didn't work but might for other dogs perhaps.

All 3 of the GSDs I have had, all ate their own poop as pups and what worked for me was "leave it" training. In the beginning I used a long line on the pups as they were outside taking care of their business, so I could use directing leash pressure to keep the pup from indulging. Investigate "leave it" training and be patient and consistent. Management ( long line or regular lead ) might be required for a bit but when the command is given to "leave it" whether the dog obeys without leash pressure or some steering pressure, you have to be quick and big on the positive rewards of your choice.

One important point to "leave it" training that I am a real stickler about is NEVER use a food reward or any item as the leave it item that the dog will ever have. There are so many videos of "dog trainers" throwing a treat on the floor and then telling the dog to "leave it" and then rewarding the dog either with the same item or one similar in their hand to treat after a release or "success". Leave it items are NEVER going to be taken into possession by your dog if you want to make it the least confusing for the dog. Always think of the "leave it" item as the dog's crap regarding whatever item you train with because it's simple enough to understand one will never reward the dog for leaving it's poop alone with the reward being it's own crap.

Leave it training is something most all dogs should be trained to exhibit and will eventually become normal habit in the absence of the human. Proofing the behavior needs to be accomplished as well and the nanny cams you have can be used to your advantage. Think "Big Brother" is always watching.
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