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Old 10-10-2009, 02:03 PM
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I am not one who likes animals to be mistreated, However, I believe that in order to be in control of your canine you have to be forceful sometimes. Show the dog who's the alpha dog. If your dog goes on the floor instead of his designated area, you can take a shoe lace and swat him once or twice just so he knows not to go there, or if you are afraid of "hurting" them you cane put them out side as soon as they do there bad business, or just let them go outside.
this is really bad advice, and imo abusive treatment of your dog! NEVER use this type of punishment method with any animal.



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Ditto.

When my childhood cat got busted for pooping in the wrong place, my mom yelled and swatted her. The message she got was that she wasn't allowed to poop at all. She carried that message through her whole sixteen years, and she was terrified to use the litterbox her entire life.

Corporal punishment is a bad idea. Unless you're a pro-wrestler and it's your stage name. Then it's awesome.
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By the way I was not saying beat the snot out of your dog I was saying to swat it w/ a sho laces not a belt. Show the dog who's boss!

"Sorry" for "offending" anybody however. How is any dog gonna be led if his owner treats it like a child. If you have to do it, do it. It's all up to you on how your dog wants to be. do you want your dog to misbehave or do you want your dog to behave?
By the way please don't insult the inteligence of a teen by saying that their advice is really bad, if you don't agree w/ the advice please keep it to your self and don't post your opinion here on the forum thank you.

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I am not one who likes animals to be mistreated, However, I believe that in order to be in control of your canine you have to be forceful sometimes. Show the dog who's the alpha dog. If your dog goes on the floor instead of his designated area, you can take a shoe lace and swat him once or twice just so he knows not to go there, or if you are afraid of "hurting" them you cane put them out side as soon as they do there bad business, or just let them go outside.
Um this is the most ridiculous advice ever....beating your dog with a string is going to teach your dog that going potty at all = gets beaten with a string which = go potty in a corner or dark room when mom/dad is not present.

Please just start taking the dogs out more. They need fresh air
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By the way I was not saying beat the snot out of your dog I was saying to swat it w/ a sho laces not a belt. Show the dog who's boss!

"Sorry" for "offending" anybody however. How is any dog gonna be led if his owner treats it like a child. If you have to do it, do it. It's all up to you on how your dog wants to be. do you want your dog to misbehave or do you want your dog to behave?
By the way please don't insult the inteligence of a teen by saying that their advice is really bad, if you don't agree w/ the advice please keep it to your self and don't post your opinion here on the forum thank you.
Your advice is horrible and its our opinions which a forum is about. We called our your bad advice on the forum so others do not follow this advice.
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I'm confused, what is the correlation between a shoe lace and pooing or peeing in the wrong spot? If someone swatted my nose with a shoe lace wen i was a toddler cus I didn't have my full potty training skills I would be terribley confused! it doesn't SHOW the dog in a logical way where or when to poop or pee, it only makes the dog think "okkkayy?? what are you asking me?? I get swatted for something I don't even know about!" and it does not solve the behavior at all. Remember, most times, when the wrong behavior occurs, we are there too late to correct the behavior, and dogs don't remember things they did after a certain VERY SHORT time. So correcting a behavior AFTER the fact often does not make sense to the dog. It is up to us to PREVENT the negative behavior from occuring BEFORE it takes place or escalates to a point of no return.

It might be hard work at first, But I suggest as someone said above to every hour specifically take the dog out to a certain spot (walking him back and forth in a small area for five-ten min.) If the dog does its business, AS it is doing its business repeat the "go potty" command. This way the dog correlates the behavior with the word. then praise the dog and give a cookie or something. (now the following is the other hard part, but to achieve proper behavior from your dog it takes some patience and hard work right?) If the dog does not within that 5-10 min span take him back inside and don't let him walk around or else he might decide to choose a spot and squat. Hold him for 10-15 min. then go out to the same spot and repeat the above. Soon the dog will realize, outside is potty and you can over a couple weeks lengthen time between walks to completely housetrain them for a set amount of time.

Now, also make sure they have water at certain times of the day (so they aren't dehydrated) but if you aren't there you might want to pull the water up so when you are gone hey don't drink a ton, then can't hold it in. Also realllllly scrub at the spots where they have gone before to get every smell of it out. you don't want them to go back to the same places because they are attracted to their smells.

in the meantime, don't give up, I know it is frustrating, but you'll get your dogs housebroken!

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but what do i do when where not home? where they go potty?
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How long are you gone every day? Do you have a spouse/SO that can help during the day?

the dogs are a year old, technically they should at least be able to hold it in for a few hours at the least, but I think a big part of their "potty training" issues is probably because their scents are well put in your house so they smell it. It might do you some good to spend just a bit of money and have a trusted neighbor or a dog walking service come to your house a couple times a day while you are gone to take them for walks to relieve themselves while you are gone that way less chance of them doing it while you are gone and making the prob. worse than it already is. and while you are there at home you can take the time to diligently work with them outside. It seems like its just become somewhat of a habit now to do their business inside because it has been going on for a while. I am not sure how long you've had them though, just guessing if they are a bit over a year.

Also if you catch them IN the act of peeing, I heard somewhere if you pick 'em up midair to take them outside it might startle them enough to stop peeing (without saying anything no scolding or anything), but just be cautious it possibly could be a tad messy. Once you get the dog out, if it pees then say the go potty command, but I am not sure how big your dogs are and I think it might give your dog the hint of 'I'm peeing, mom got me outside quick she didn't acknowledge in anyway my peeing, but this must be the right place to finish it and do it next time since she spoke to me out here not inside.'

I hope you get some results in some way, I feel frustrated FOR you :P


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ETA: Are they neutered/Spayed? if they aren't it could def. be a territorial thing of scents where they live along with the main issue.
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Your advice is horrible and its our opinions which a forum is about. We called our your bad advice on the forum so others do not follow this advice.
Please ladies and gentlemen please us some self control do you think that you can muster that without making me sound horrible. you guys just treat your animals like babies or like humans which they are not. If you do wish to voice your opinion, please do so with some tact. you can make a person feel real small like now.You have ur opinion And I have mine so leave me alone.
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By the way I was not saying beat the snot out of your dog I was saying to swat it w/ a sho laces not a belt. Show the dog who's boss!

"Sorry" for "offending" anybody however. How is any dog gonna be led if his owner treats it like a child. If you have to do it, do it. It's all up to you on how your dog wants to be. do you want your dog to misbehave or do you want your dog to behave?
By the way please don't insult the inteligence of a teen by saying that their advice is really bad, if you don't agree w/ the advice please keep it to your self and don't post your opinion here on the forum thank you.
First off, its not your place to tell people to keep their opinions to themselves. If you have an issue with a post there is a "report post" button you can press, or PM me if you have an issue.

iam not going to say your advice is bad. Iam going to prove it...

Swatting your dog is going to teach it to fear you nothing more. No professional dog trainer worth a grain of salt would swat a dog in the face like that.

Dogs do not understand right from wrong. This is FACT not opinion. They understand safe and dangerous. If swatting a dog stops a behavior it is because the dog has learned that in that context you become dangerous.

The alpha is the only non violent animal in the pack BTW...aggression is an expensive behavior left only for those who wish to die young and not procreate....not the alpha....and thats only if you even believe dogs form packs (overwhelming evidence they do NOT from rigid hierarchies) either way...violence to show leadership is silly.

anyway. Stay and read and learn, and don't take it personal.



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