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Old 12-28-2018, 11:58 PM
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Out of control pup

So i have a 9 month old Jack russel / blue heeler (we think) mix adopred from the humaine society. I have had her since she was 3 months old. Her name is Ava. Over all she is a sweety. But... She is a twit. She is pretty independant and has no problem not listening to your commands. Now my parents sometimes get her to listen to them (but not always) but me, she doesnt listen to me (besides getting her to sit) at all, only when i have a treat in hand. My biggest issue is our walks. I walk her with a gentle lead around her muzzel to help her pulling. But the main trouble is if she doesnt like something, (sometimes it because i tug to much on her muzzel, but usually its cause im not letting her do what she wants like saying hello to other pups or not going the direction she wants to walk) she then starts jumping on me and jumping on her leash (which pulls her muzzel which makes it worse). I tried making her sit which sometimes worked but recently, even if i do make her sit and stay, the moment she is released she immediately went back to the behavior. So recently ive scruffed her (i usually scold with holding the muzzel) and sometimes she gets so crazy (which has been coming more of a thing) that i scruff her and make her lie down but even that she fights me like crazy. (sometimes her jumping seems borderline caotic or maybe aggresive? i dony know. Its the type where u cant tell if its play or angry)
Today she growled at me when i tried scolding her. . . i put her to the ground and scolded her. I dont know what to do anymore. I feel sad. I hate having to be rough with her, its not in my nature i have to really work at being firm with her,even scolding(with my voice) harshly has taken a lot of work for me. Most days when this happens i come home frustrated and near tears. She wont listen, she wont come on command and now she is starting to growl at me. (She just growled again when i moved her around on my bed so i could lay my feet down,even tho it was a soft growl. . . i think it was anyways. . .)
I feel so lost on what to do. Does anyone have any advice? I hate this relationship i have with my pup.
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Old 12-29-2018, 01:53 AM
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It sounds like you’d benefit from watching some of the videos relating to positive training. I’d also suggest you spend some time at home, without the dog on a leash at all , doing some fun exercises with lots of treats, praise and rewards, such as finding food treats hidden under toys, and coming when called when there are no distractions, as well as rewarding the “look at me” command when the dog stops and looks at you. Blue heelers love to have a relationship based on loyalty. Perhaps let the dog have more exercise at home without distractions for a while? Then you can tackle the harder tasks relating to walking in public.


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The more you are rough with her, the more she is going to resent it. Look up some training videos that use positive training, not Caesar Milan type forceful training. If she has Heeler in her she is not going to appreciate rough handling and she will just get worse. Pinning a dog down is not training.
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Love kikopup videos!! She is an awesome trainer!!!
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Your post makes it sound that it isn't really worth for the dog to work with you and all you represent to the dog is restrictions and insisted obedience. I don't know how you've trained her in the beginning so I don't know either what kind of reinforcement history she has.

Are you tugging the hed collar as a corrective measure or is it caused by the dog fighting it? I don't think the collar should be used by tugging it but you cannot help if it is the dog although you should find a way for her to cooperate with you so that she would not fight the collar

I echo what others say. Go back to basics, find what your dog likes and wants and use that knowledge to your advantage. There are other reinforcers along treats and toys your dog might desire and those can be situational (not much use in releasing my dog to sniff indoors while it might be a competent reinforcer on a walk). Bond with the dog by doing fun stuff with her like finding hidden treats or toys. Start in low distraction environment and chop the skill to be learned into smaller tidbits. You can later join all the little parts step by step together until you have the finished behavior. Find out how to fade the lure in time so that the treat or toy doesn't become the cue. Question yourself, does your dog really know what you want of her.

Your dog sounds to behave sometimes a bit like my young Terv. She gets frustrated easily and it is most often caused by her not understanding what I want or why she was not rewarded when she has associated a previous reinforcement with a wrong stimulus. Another reason is her wanting something but me preventing getting it by restricting her access. She starts to bark furiously. I control her by teaching her to go on low gear if this frustration occurs in a predictable situation. I can toss treats on the floor to distract her and to condition calmness and associating the place or situation with something good. I can teach a routine which I apply in every similar situation. I can teach her a correct or alternative behavior in another context and bring that into the situation before she becomes frustrated. I am careful which reinforcer I use and when. I can teach my dog that she can have what she wants if she doesn't try to jerk my arm off nor to bark my head off, assuming it is safe for her and her training to allow it. I communicate to my dog what is happening and what I expect of her and I reinforce what I want to see again.
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