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Old 05-14-2018, 08:56 PM
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New potty problem, behavior related?

My 12 y/o mini dachshund, the prettiest in the world, if that makes a difference, was pretty easy to potty train. Rarely an accident as an adult. She has surprised me with her ability to hold it when necessary. When I go to work, she holds it every day for about 10.5 hours. Then at night, she holds it all night, essentially never waking me up to go out. And sometimes, when she pokes her nose outside and it's pouring rain, she'll decide, "NOPE!" and she ain't going out, no matter what, so she holds it longer then, too.

But the problem is when I'm home. I'll come home and take her out right away, and then she'll insist on potty time a couple hours later. Then again, a couple hours later. Once we go to bed, she's fine until morning, and when I'm at work, she's fine all day. On the weekends, it's every couple hours. When she squats, the volume will be normal for her first one in the morning, generally, and when I get home, since she's been holding it. But the times when she insists on going out frequently, the volume is very low.

On the occasions when she is asking to go out every couple hours, I discourage her and tell her no. She'll lay down for a while, but minutes later, she'll again insist that she has to go. "Are you sure?" I'll demand. She's sure. But again, we get out there, and there's almost nothing. And this is the dog that holds it all day when I'm gone and all night in bed.

So the vet took a urine sample and it came back dirty. We put her on antibiotics and that cleared it up, but the problem persisted. The pH was off, so we treated that and that normalized, but the problem persists. She's had x-rays, ultrasounds, some other thing that I don't remember to look for tumors in the urethral and bladder walls and areas like that, and the vet says she is physically fine. We are starting an anti-spasmodic that's normally used on horses but she says it's really the last physical explanation and after this, it's more of a behavioral issue.

So that's the reason for this post, exploring the behavioral aspect. The vet says she's not a behaviorist and one would have to be consulted. This has already been pretty expensive and I'm not made of money, so I'd much rather get some ideas from the forum.
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Old 05-15-2018, 11:26 AM
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Hi, there. Based on what I've read I guess it's more of a behavioral problem now, since you have been to the vet already.
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LOL...I have to laugh because I watched an older dog that was taught every time she fused she got fed. her humans said she was always hungry..she was also over weight because of it. I was watching her one time and she would bark expecting me to give her something but instead I took her outside..every time. She stopped barking at my home.

You have now set a pattern that when she asks to go out you take her. The next time she does it change your reaction. Give her toy to play with or make a flirt pole and redirect her attention from outside to something else. She is having fun getting you to do as she asks. You mentioned when it is raining it is her choice to go or not. She has and is teaching you well you have her patterns down pat. Now change the ones that do not work with your routines.
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LOL...I have to laugh because I watched an older dog that was taught every time she fused she got fed. her humans said she was always hungry..she was also over weight because of it. I was watching her one time and she would bark expecting me to give her something but instead I took her outside..every time. She stopped barking at my home.

You have now set a pattern that when she asks to go out you take her. The next time she does it change your reaction. Give her toy to play with or make a flirt pole and redirect her attention from outside to something else. She is having fun getting you to do as she asks. You mentioned when it is raining it is her choice to go or not. She has and is teaching you well you have her patterns down pat. Now change the ones that do not work with your routines.
I considered that, and I've given negative re-enforcement instead (scolding), which makes her hold it for a while but then she demands again 15 minutes later. Also, she's on my lap when she asks, and certainly she'd rather be there than go out, so I'm not sure we're on the right track here. Oh, and also I've tried distracting her with cuddling. "Oh, you want some attention from daddy? Ok, daddy will cuddle you." But it's clearly not what she wants; she only wants OUT.
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When did she start exhibiting this new behavior? What changed? Are you working more or less? Is hubby always been home? Has any children recently moved away?New furniture? look at the whole picture, her normal pattern changed some how and she is starting a new one to replace it or make up for it. I always suggest making a timeline and you will see what created this new behavior. Gotta love them.
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When did she start exhibiting this new behavior? What changed? Are you working more or less? Is hubby always been home? Has any children recently moved away?New furniture? look at the whole picture, her normal pattern changed some how and she is starting a new one to replace it or make up for it. I always suggest making a timeline and you will see what created this new behavior. Gotta love them.
Well, she and I moved. But that was a while before this started, quite a while. We're creatures of habit, and after we moved, we got settled here and into our routine and everything was fine for quite some time. After that, nothing changed before this started.
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Well, she and I moved. But that was a while before this started, quite a while. We're creatures of habit, and after we moved, we got settled here and into our routine and everything was fine for quite some time. After that, nothing changed before this started.
We may think nothing changed but something did. It could be something we would never guess. I have sat with clients going over everything that changed around the time a new behavior began and there was always something. How about storms which prevented her from going out at her normal time?

You can always start a new pattern that you do with her every day to break this new one she created.
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We may think nothing changed but something did. It could be something we would never guess. I have sat with clients going over everything that changed around the time a new behavior began and there was always something. How about storms which prevented her from going out at her normal time?

You can always start a new pattern that you do with her every day to break this new one she created.
Storms and such aren't a problem because I go get sod and fake grass and out some on the back deck which is covered. Late at night or if it's raining, we just zip out back there for potty time. I can tell she loves it because we can hear the rain or sleet coming down outside but she's dry on the porch.

Problem is, it's been a while now and I can't pinpoint in my memory precisely when this started and what was going on, only generally.
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Does she have a regular time she does it? If so, you can try starting another pattern before she is due to ask. Have you noticed a pattern in when she asks and what she was doing prior?
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