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Old 06-18-2018, 03:48 PM
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New Dog Owner: Potty and Crate Training Puppy

On Saturday i adopted my first puppy. Shes a beagle/cattle dog mix, but i think mostly beagle because all her features seem like a beagle so far. She is 8 1/2 weeks old. I have spent hours researching potty training, teething, crate training, etc. I try to implement all the tips and sometimes they work but mostly they don't. I think i need help.

I live in a spacious second floor apartment. She has only had 1 round of the 3 rounds of vaccines so i cant take her for walks yet. She is due for a second round and her first vet checkup on thursday. So this means i have to carry her downstairs (we are working on stairs still) every 30minutes. When she goes i stand still and wait and when she is done i jump up and down and say good potty and treat. However the large majority of the time, she lays down and does nothing outside (we stay about 10-15minutes) and then we come inside and the second she is through the door she pees. Its like she holds it until shes inside. She has peed and pooped countless times the past few days. She is never left alone, every 30minutes is exhausting especially when maybe a good half the time she doesnt go until she is back inside. Is this normal?

For her crate i have her sleep in the crate, she also takes naps in her crate. If she is sleeping she is fine. The second she wakes up or if she isnt tired she loses her mind. I introduced her to the crate on day one, had a blanket in there, and left the door open for her to explore. I gave her a treat everytime she took a step in or went in. That night she went in and slept ok. She was up the normal every 2-3hrs and we went outside immediately each time and came back in and crated right after. Sometimes she went sometimes she laid on the ground outside and went to sleep. That was sat night, sunday night we progressed to waking up every 45-60 minutes and we went outside each time. A lot of the times she did pee. I basically haven't slept in 2 days.

I removed the blanket from her crate today because she is teething and she is chewing on it. Im afraid she will swallow it. Well now that it is a hard surface BOOM now we peed in the crate! I have read to give her the food and water in the crate to help her acclimate to it. So after one of the times we were outside (its 90 out) i brought her back gave her water, and was going to take her back out. She finished drinking turned around and peed in the crate. Great awesome. I have enzyme cleaner that i have been using to clean all these accidents.

Am i totally doing something wrong? Is this just normal stuff for a 8 1/2 week old puppy? She eats 3/4 cup of puppy food at 645, 1200, and 500. I dont think i can tether her to me. She just bites and rolls around attacking the leash as i hold it, and then scratches at her harness. Its a smooth mesh one, but she hates it. I tried a regular collar too - does the same. I thought maybe she was just too young for it?

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Old 06-18-2018, 05:50 PM
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Just to add to this as ive been browsing. Tethering her to me is such a fail lol. She literally falls to the ground when i put the harness on her and scratches bites at it, or attempts to as its hard to reach. If i put the leash on her she bites the leash and throws herself on the ground biting the leash.

For the crate, if i let her whine it out with me here, what if she gets so worked up she poops or pees in it? Does she stay in there any minute she isnt going potty? How do i schedule play time? I havent even thought about other command training as potty training runs my entire life. Literally i dont eat or barely drink all day its just me running up and down the stairs 100x a day and still having accidents.

thank god shes cute and i love her. Its like i knew this was going to be hard but you dont actually KNOW just how hard until you experience it.
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First, get that leash and harness attack under control - use bitter apple spray or gel on those to end the biting. Make her wear it and leash train her. You don't want to let bad leash manners get started. No she isn't to young for it, my now 12 week old puppy was leas trained and, trained to lead by nine weeks of age.

As for going in the crate, the cure is a puppy playpen and potty pads. Put the crate in the pen open and, put a dog bed, again treated with bitter apple to prevent chewing in the play pen. Put a potty pad in there and put her toys and chews in there, each in a different section and, that's all the room she gets. A sleeping, playing and potty area. She will catch on rather quickly.

Take her out on schedule, 1 hour per month of age and, within 15-20 minutes of eating or, immediately after she wakes form a nap or sleeping. Yes, there will be accidents, she's a puppy and, even with proper training, accidents happen until they can hold it at least 6 hours, which isn't until 5-6 months old. They don't even begin to get the concept of holding it much before 12 weeks - until then it's all your timing that gets the training done.

At 12 weeks, they begin to be able to hold it for two or three minutes, but that's all - from there the time they can hold it quickly increases, especially when they know that going outside is the key to those special yummy, high value treats.

My 12 1/2 week old pup is up to five minutes holding it which is excellent for her age. By four months she will manage 30 minutes.

Set your dog up for success - remove food and water an hour before bed time, she will be fine. Give her 20 minutes outside to go after eating and, reward every go outside with a treat she only gets for going outside. Don't stop the treats until she is reliable for 6 hours, that's a few months away then, slowly remove treats, treat sometimes and not others so she never knows when she will or won't get those yummy treats. By age 1 year, no more treats for going potty.

Also, choose word for each, like "Go Potty" for pee and "Get Busy" for poop. Say those words softly and happily as she goes each time, then praise and treat when she finishes. You will soon get a dog that does her best to go on command, saving you time and, allowing you to decide where she goes. (as long as the time is within her ability to hold it and, she actually has to go.)
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Thank you for your reply. I just sprayed harness and leash in bitter apple spray, picked this up yesterday. She is napping in the crate right now, i will try this when she gets out to use the bathroom.

So some questions: I use cheerios as treats or Little-Jacks training treats. She isnt always interested in them. I ALWAYS praise and treat when she goes outside and take her out after sleeping, eating/drinking, or playing. However she doesnt always go. Or she goes and then comes back in and goes again. We are usually out there for 15 minutes. She is busy attacking bushes, eating leaves, etc with me running around with her like a crazy lady taking everything out of her mouth. Then she will start to attack my feet, and she hurts! Distracting with chew toys is like nothing to her. I could put it in her mouth she doesnt care. I use nylabone toy chews, a different rubber bone chew with little knubs and this hard knubby circular thing the foster lady told me to get. She only stops when i pick her up. She will also attack my pants and clamp down and pull.

So if i get the puppy play pen and i leave the door open for her to do whatever, how do i transition to her going outside? Am i still taking her out frequently with using the pen? Also, sorry for so many questions, do i lock the crate at night still and take her out every two hours?
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You take her out when you are home but, that way she is learning that there is a proper place to potty and, that isn't in the crate. Baby steps. She can't hold it very long and, we all get busy and miss the puppy's need to go out clues now and then - the playpen setup saves both of you a lot of cleaning and disappointment.

As she gets bigger, the small pen will become her play and sleeping area only and, eventually, it will be replaced with just her bed but, until then, she needs to see that there really is a right place to potty that she can get to even if you can't take her out right that second.

She has minimal bladder and bowel control at this stage in life, but she's growing and learning everyday.

Somehow we expect puppies to potty train in one step, inside a week but, we certainly don't ask that of human children - we go from diapers to potty chair to steps to the toilet, to finally using the toilet as we want them to - try a similar approach with your puppy, it's easier on you and them both.
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