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Old 01-10-2018, 01:15 PM
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May i ask...and please excuse my ignorance as not from your country. How are israelian dogs arriving in america? Are they being imported for rehoming by a charity? You are doing a wonderful job having read this thread!
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Old 01-11-2018, 07:55 AM
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That actually sounds like a good idea, but I wonder what people would think if we walked him with it, not that it really matters.

From my understanding the owners of the rescue we got him at are from Israel or at least one of then is. I guess they must have been visiting and saw how the kennels were down there. It was over run by rats and abusive people working there so they actually ended up buying the kennel. They brought the dogs back a few at a time, and it is actually to Canada not America.
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Old 01-11-2018, 06:23 PM
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Is it normal for these behaviours to get worse before they get better? I know working with a rescue dog on fear is not an easy thing, but having a dog that poops himself anytime a male enters the house is Alittle more then I was thinking. I just got a text from. My girlfriend basically saying her dad came by for 5 minutes and Chance wouldn't settle down, obviously barking and snarling, then she realized he was covered in his own fecal matter as well as his bed. He is also getting worse on walks. We have a training session booked for this weekend and are hoping to get somequestions answered when someone can actually see him doing this.
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Arrow I'd get him out of the room where visitors are; crate, gate, or tether elsewhere

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B4 U even open the door, i'd get him OUT of the room to a quiet area where he feels safe, with a closed door or a gate between himself & the visitor/s.

Sending him so far beyond his ability to cope, repeatedly, *will* make him worse. // Esp'ly at home, he needs to feel safe, & to be able to relax from his hypervigilance.

Does he have a crate? / Airline-approved shipping type?
They make excellent 'dens' with a good sense of privacy & the dog can hide entirely from prying eyes, simply by lying down; plus the floor is part of a single cast hunk of resin, & will not leak; the solid bottom half also protects the dog from floor-level drafts, while the window-mesh or slots in the upper half provide more than enuf ventilation.
If he has a crate, i'd put it in my bedroom beside the bed as a nightstand, & when visitors came, for now, that's where he'd be - BEFORE i opened the door to admit the visitor.

If he has no crate, i'd install a tether in a spot where he's a minimum of 10-ft & preferably 12-ft from where VISITORS sit - with one of U, his owners, sitting between him & the stranger/s as a buffer.

more about tethers & their uses -
Tethered to Success | Kerry Blue Terrier Foundation

Preventing meltdowns is important, to start building his coping & tolerance.
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Old 01-11-2018, 09:31 PM
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So we have tried to move him to another room, but he just barks everytime he hears the "intruder" speaks. How do you eventually get him to start coping with them. If we tethered him from them he would he would never settle down, he will listen to commands like sit and down but the barking and growling never stops. Once the persons stands well it just gets worse. Eventually he is going to have to overcome his fear, but how do we do that if we remove him from the situation?
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Old 01-11-2018, 10:20 PM
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Unhappy he's flooded // overwhelmed by fright & stress, & he can't learn in that state

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U can always begin DS/CC with him present, but not close by, or at least in eyeshot, later - for now, despite the barks, i'd get him out of the room.
Literally sh!tting himself is far-too intense fear to be in the same room.

DS/CC - DeSensitize / Counter-Condition - is controlled low-level exposure with happy things added, whenever the trigger stimulus occurs, such as tethering at the extreme end of the room or in an adjacent room, perhaps so the dog can see the visitor only if the dog chooses to stand - if they DON'T want to see the stranger, or for the stranger to see them, they can lie down & pretend there's no dog, here.
Some spooky dogs prefer to lurk, vs be seen.
Meanwhile, so long as the visitor is present, pea-sized or half-pea sized tidbits rain on the timid / reactive dog.

A variation of Treat / Retreat that throws the tidbit PAST a tethered dog can be used, too - but for now, he's too upset. // Yes, ya gotta start somewhere, but for now, i'd start with him in another room, ONE person familiar to him with him, & the other person with the visitor, in the living / dining area.
The person with the dog does Open Bar / Closed Bar: so long as the visitor is here, either visible or audible or even scent-able, FEED THE DOG in a steady stream of tiny bits of meat-based cat kibble, finely diced beef / chkn brst / turkey / etc, scissored cubes of freeze-dried beef liver, lamb lung, whitefish, etc.
He can eat his dinner - but feed it one piece at a time, *not* in a bowl, & alternate the Good Stuff with the "ordinary" food - i do mean alternate, as in every other piece is meat / cat-kibble with meat as the 1st ingredient / freeze-dried tripe, or some other gourmet item.


He's terrified if he's losing bowel control, & exposing him to something that frightening will not help him cope; rather, it's liable to make him sensitized / even more reactive, which is what may be happening, in this instance.
He cannot flee, he's trapped in the house, he freaks out, & his anal sphincter fails.

Baby steps get ya where U're going faster than going too quickly for the dog's ability to cope.

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Arrow don't hold him to "behavior standards" - it's classical conditioning, NOT training

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BTW, if he's in another room and he BARKS & GROWLS when he hears the stranger's voice, it does not matter - he gets the tidbits in any case.

This is not "training" - he's not required to do anything to EARN the tidbits, & he cannot screw up or be wrong; the PRESENCE of the trigger is what determines feed / Don't feed.
This is classic association of a Good Thing with a scary / worrying / novel stimulus, just like Pavlov. He can bark like an idiot, FEED HIM ANYWAY.

It's totally non-contingent - when strangers are around, good things happen.
I hope that clarifies.

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So we took Chance to the trainer for a few hours on Saturday. The trainer said as soon as she saw him get out of the car she could tell that he had alot of anxiety and was very unsure. When we got into the building he didn't settle down which was to be expected. He actually ended up lunging at the trainer which is the first female I have seen him do this to. She said it's because she has a very dominant stature and he can sense that. She actually brought one of her dog outs who upon seeing Chance lied down would not go near him. The trainer said that usually her dog usually full of bum wags and always wants to meet new dogs, but that she could sense how unstable Chance was so she lied down to calm him down and show she was not a threat to him. What our trainer has recommended is for the next two weeks we do the umbilical tie anytime we are around him. She said before he can get over his fear he needs to realize he doesn't need to dlbe one the defensive all of the time because we are around to protect him, so we need to show that by leading him and making him stay close to us at all time by being tied to our wastes. I will be honest we have been trying it for the last two days and when we leave and come home we are both greated by bum wags and playful behaviour. No more stand offish barking or growling especially with me.
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@Rescuedpup, so glad to hear you finally got some good advice !

Tethering the dog to you as you go about your normal business in the home has such benefits. Keep it up !
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YEs, the umbilical tie works great

We Did the first week on the Umbilical tie, then used a 15foot lunge to keep him in the same room for the week after. Much of our time is spent in the Livingroom so we put the Lunge on his Kennel in the livingroom, and he can go anywhere in the room. At night, he's in our room. His bed is at the foot of ours.

Of course there is one downfall...sort of....now we cant go anywhere without tripping over dog lol!
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