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Old 10-16-2009, 04:23 PM
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all that "don't let the dog sleep with you" stuff is nonsence IMO..

99.9 % of household dogs are not trying to dominate their owners. I'd take the great majority of everything you read about dominance and throw it out the window.

Theres one bone...two dogs...the dominant animal gets the bone...thats all dominance means. Too many people are using to the term to explain everything a dog does. *cough cough* Ceasar.... "if a dog is pushy or loud its being dominant".....no...the dog is doing what works for him in that situation, based on prior experiences.

ANyway, if you want to look at it in terms of dominance...since we, as humans control ALL the access to resources we are always and automatically the dominant creature inthe relationship.

dogs do what works...if being pushy works...theyll do it...if being patient works...they'll do that...its nothing to do with who is alpha.

from the link..

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You are now its equal, not its leader. This could lead to aggression towards you when you try to correct your dog. You have to make sure that your dog knows who is in charge all of the time
This is completely silly...first...dogs don't form rigid hierarchies (linear pack structure) and even if they did I've never heard of the alpha wolf sleeping away from the pack. Also run far away from anything advising you to correct your dog on the internet.

If you don't want the dog on the bed, don't let him up...but don't do it because you think it will make him think hes "alpha"


http://dogpublic.com/articles/articl...id=14&pid=1640

http://www.clickertraining.com/node/2297

http://dog-training.suite101.com/art...theory_in_dogs

basically the theory has been disproved but novice trainers keep regurgitating it over and over, so it perpetuates.

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individual relationships between dogs are learned through experience rather than motivated by a desire to assert "dominance."


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fawkese1, I've read a lot of things online stating that it kind of leads to a few bad things - primarily that he'll feel like he's dominating, and almost as bad he'll have separation anxiety...

I've seen the latter true in a lot of cases where my friends and family members let their dogs sleep with them.. I feel confident enough to say 100% of the time they have separation anxiety.

Example of what I'm talking about finding online -
Why You Shouldn't Let Your Dog Sleep in Your Bed

The argument about allergies or sleep cycles i'm not concerned with at this point, but mostly the other two i've mentioned here... I see all over people saying this is a problem, while very few people i've seen state otherwise.
my dog does most definately have seperation anxiety...he is not allowed on any of the furniture...only because he weighs about 90lbs and is often muddy...what exactly makes you believe this? i've read tons about seperation anxiety and never heard this before....and i checked out the link, but it didn't really explain anything...just curious..

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all that "don't let the dog sleep with you" stuff is nonsence IMO..

99.9 % of household dogs are not trying to dominate their owners. I'd take the great majority of everything you read about dominance and throw it out the window.

Theres one bone...two dogs...the dominant animal gets the bone...thats all dominance means. Too many people are using to the term to explain everything a dog does.

Since we, as humans control ALL the access to resources we are always and automatically the dominant creature inthe relationship.

dogs do what works...if being pushy works...theyll do it...if being patient works...they'll do that...its nothing to do with alpha.
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Fawkese I have read this before a few places..

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LOL now that I think about it...my SA dog actually is the only dog that doesn't sleep with us...she willingly passes out in the living room every nite (Tippy) and my normal dogs sleep with us...except Kiwi...shes too big.

Unfortunately if you google SA you'll get a wide range of advice ranging from good to downright damaging. I have read articles that make me scream at my monitor. Unfortunately the people with bad advice seem to scream louder, and come up first on search engines on the internet. I feel so bad for new dog owners... when I got my first dog I read and did all sorts of things I wouldn't dream of doing now.



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now i'm gonna have to look it up tho.....thanks



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so what's the verdict

So far I haven't had much time to train, we've had company and events, so he's been off the hook for some things...

Should pick back up today after i give him a bath.. he rolled in his pee out back, lol... silly bugger..
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