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This is a discussion on Leash training for a stubborn scottie within the Dog Training and Behavior forums, part of the Keeping and Caring for Dogs category; Originally Posted by Chas Are you okay @ laurelsmom ? I clarified so that it was clear that i wasn't saying to rehome the dog ...

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Old 07-17-2019, 10:03 AM
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Are you okay @laurelsmom ? I clarified so that it was clear that i wasn't saying to rehome the dog and why I put that option out there. I'm just a single user on this forum so please don't leave on my account. I've been told on more than one occasion I have all the tact of a brick to the face and I'm pretty sure that's true. I'll work on the way I say things in future.
No worries; this place may just not be the best fit for me personally. It wasn't just the one misunderstanding with one member. I absolutely did not mean to attack you personally and also owe the OP and apology for derailing their thread with a flounce.

I don't have much experience with terriers, but they certainly are different from herding breeds and my two Chi/Terrier crosses (most likely different kinds of terriers---one might be part Yorkie and the other part JRT) are different from each other.

Teaswizzler's post was much more helpful than my own.

Best of luck, Sherlockthescottie, and I think you're a caring and competent dog owner who will do just fine. Your puppy is very lucky to have you.
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Old 07-17-2019, 03:14 PM
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I have two less-than-perfect dogs so I disagree about rehoming Sherlock and buying another dog.

My opinion/experience is that he needs more time to settle in. I cleared my schedule for a whole week before bringing Laurel home and pretty much did nothing other than bond with the puppy. It was a long time before I ever left the house without her, so I just carried her in a dog sling and used the leash as a safety device just in case.

She would not walk on leash when I wanted to begin training. It just wasn't going to happen. She chewed on it and played with it and firmly planted her little feet down. So much for my own, more modest dreams of Basic Obedience, I grumbled, after doing an online search and seeing what a long road I thought I had ahead of me.

I worked with her patiently but it turned out not to be necessary. When she realized that leashes meant more freedom and was old enough to want it, she stopped biting it, playing with it, refusing to walk on it, etc. on her own and was ready for a puppy class that included age-appropriate tastes of sit, stay, down, come, loose leash walking, etc.

Sherlock is older than Laurel was, so less impressionable, and he has only been home since Sunday. I think he's doing great! Keep on doing what you're doing and find a reputable trainer who has some experience or at least a heart for less-than-perfect dogs and/or shelter dogs and he'll be fine.

Agility eventually, but Sherlock is a kid and probably will be until he is two years old. You absolutely CAN teach an old dog new tricks, as my trainer constantly reminds me, so there's no rush. He doesn't have an expiration date.

Pat Miller has a book that is probably overkill for you and Sherlock, but might be interesting recreational reading or inspiration to get you past any insecurity or negativity:

https://peaceablepaws.com/product/do...st-class-life/
Thank you, I was scared to wait too long to begin our agility training. It looks like a lot of dogs start training pretty early so i didn't want to give sherlock a disadvantage by starting too late! I did a lot more research and I see some dogs dont retire from agility until 12-16 years old! WHich is a relief. I think he's going to need more time than most of the puppies starting.
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Old 07-17-2019, 03:21 PM
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That's great! I come on pretty seriously because people often don't understand how much work/money a poorly raised puppy can be in need of.

Puppy farm is a nice way of saying puppy mill. If your pup is so under exposed that by 6 months he hasn't seen grass there is something majorly wrong with the breeder. Most mills have facades that look good when they sell a puppy.

If I were to take on a pup like this I would start by letting go of most of my expectations for him and hiring a gentle trainer for a one on one at home consult. He could have many or no behavior issues but an in home consult would be best to work out where to go from here.
I think by Monday my expectations definitely were different than when I purchased him. It is weird cause now that i think of it there weren't ANY dogs running around the breeders house. I didn't see any sign any lived there.

I contacted a very well known trainer. She is giving some tips to me over email to start getting him acclimated but she wants to wait a tad longer, to let him get used to the surroundings, before officially starting some private lessons. We plan to move him into a socialization class (after private lessons) where most of the young puppies start at, technically he's allowed to bypass it since its only socialization but he is developmentally behind so we are starting him off there. He will also get to see agility equipment and explore it with no pressure to use it with the other puppies.
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Old 07-17-2019, 03:25 PM
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Your dog sounds very similar to my Cairn terrier who also came from a breeder, but I got her at almost 5 years. She had been on grass but was completely untrained on a lead and also completely un house trained. She was timid for months outside the home and only walked 100 meters at a time for months. Even now she walks just in short bursts on a lead. But what an beautiful nature! Just so sweet with everyone and her tail goes mad. It all just took time.

Cairns and Scottie’s are similar I think, in that there is a fair dose of not really caring for training in the same way as the herding dogs do. I’ve never been sure if it’s timidity or just having an “independent” streak.

However, we have seen great improvements with lots of routine, affection and persistence.

The other thing I do is go to the same place every time for walks. It wouldn’t suit most dogs but I think it helps a dog who is adjusting to change.


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I think this is what makes it hard to tell what is REALLY happening. Scotties can be so darn stubborn and he is so new to me i can't read his body language. I can read his general body language but not HIS, you know? We introduced him to our other dog through a baby gate. He went into barking normal dog behavior and was way more alert the rest of the day. I caught him exploring the dining room but he quickly hauled it to his bed when he realized i was there.
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How are things going @Sherlockthescottie ?
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How are things going @Sherlockthescottie ?
Things are great! Sherlock acts like a normal dog. Loves his toys and my kids but still is apprehensive about my husband. He is super attached to me specifically. We start puppy socialization classes 9/25. This is going to be a good start in seeing if Sherlock can compete competitively in agility and obedience since its socialization geared toward light obedience and introduction to equipment. If he doesn't react well I found some Earth dog practices that are more geared toward his breed.
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Forgot to say he is a champ on the leash. Still sometimes tries to pick the direction we go himself and gets stubborn if we don't go his way. But overall still one of the best dogs I have had on a leash.
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Happy to hear Sherlock is settling in alright. We used to breed and show Scotties and I love the breed. I would not worry about getting started early with Agility, lots of dogs are a few years old before starting including my own Golden Doodle, and they still do great. A good foundation in basic obedience helps a lot as they have to have a good recall as it is done off leash.
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