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Old 08-23-2017, 06:21 AM
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Indecision about Clicker

Hello everyone.

I train obedience exercises and dog tricks with my dogs, and I have been thinking about buying a clicker, to improve our understanding when we're working.

I have some questions about it:
- ¿What do U think about using a clicker? ¿It really helps? ¿Did U notice the change before and after using it?
- ¿It will be easy for them to start working with it after suddenly introducing it in our training sessions?


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Old 08-23-2017, 07:09 AM
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It is a very precise marker and can help clarity and precision when training. Of three dogs I've tried it with one was terrified of the sound the other two took to it like a duck to water.
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I like using a clicker, but it isn't a magic wand or anything. I use a variety of markers, including a whistle, verbal markers (Yes/Good) and also a mouth click, just depending on what I have available.

I use it for shaping exercises and for precision obedience exercises, but I don't use it for things like grooming or calm exercises because it excites my dogs.
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I've been following Keller and Calamity the Double Merles on facebook and youtube and I really like the idea of a thumb's up or other hand signal as a reward marker. Unlike a clicker, it's something you always have with you (assuming your hands are free and not tied up in leashes and treats) and unlike a voice marker, there's no variation in intonation or inflection to make it less consistent.

Kinda wishing I'd been doing that from the start with Mira & am wondering how much it would confuse her to switch from a verbal "yes" to a thumb's up.

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I usually have my hands full of leash and treats while I'm also trying to make hand signals. So, I use a mouth click to identify the behavior that I'm rewarding.
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I think I'm gonna try it, but I'll only use it for some precise tricks, just to make it more simple.
Besides, I'll also use it to excite a bit Lusy, because when we're working on something new and difficult she tends to lose a bit of interest in the exercise.

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Arrow challenges of hand-signal markers: Visual orientation of the dog

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... I really like the idea of a thumb's up or other hand signal as a reward marker. Unlike a clicker, it's something you always have with you (assuming your hands are free and not tied up in leashes and treats) & unlike a voice marker, there's no variation in intonation or inflection to make it less consistent.

Kinda wishing I'd done that from the start... I wonder how much it would confuse Mira, to switch from a verbal "yes" to a thumb's up.
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An audible marker means any trainee with normal hearing can be in any position relative to U, & can hear the marker.

A visible marker such as a flash of light is also visible no matter which way the trainee is oriented, assuming the flash is bright or the surroundings are somewhat dim.

A visible marker such as a thumbs-up or short, sharp nod / smile or both hands popping open & up, is only visible when the trainee faces U - it requires the dog to be ORIENTED to U & looking at U at that moment, for the marker to be seen.
If the dog so much as glances aside at the wrong instant, the timing of the signal - which is inevitably not as precise as a 'click!' - becomes even less accurate, or the marker is missed altogether, & U must try again - & so must the dog.

If i'm into HTM or Freestyle & want to teach my dog to spin clockwise, i can't use a thumbs-up -- the dog's eyes are not free to gaze up at me for clues, as they're turning & must focus on their own movement, lest they crash into me or any other objects, or trip & fall - in gymnastics, dance, etc, we know that gaze determines which way the body goes.
The dog can't simultaneously turn forward & gaze sideways - it throws them off-balance.

I've used hand-signals to cue & to mark behaviors for deaf-dogs, but i honestly cannot think of any hand-signal that can be both accurately timed AND doesn't require visual orientation by the learner.
A vibration-only collar could be the only option, for orientation-free markers that are SORT-OF accurately timed. // Vibe-only collars are doggone hard to find in the commercial marketplace, & a homemade version is probly far-less costly & a lot easier to get.



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Switching from one marker to another is relatively simple & quick -
a marker-savvy dog has the concept of "a marker" from their previous experience, it's rather like changing a dog's accustomed but poisoned name for a new, untainted Name without emotional baggage: MARK the new name as a happy attention-getter, to introduce it - then simply use it for 2 or 3 days, & by day 3, most dogs respond to the new positively-associated Name faster than they did to their former name.

Switching from audible [click, Yes!, etc] to visible [thumbs-up, jazz-hands, light-flash] is slightly more confusing than from one audible marker to a different audible marker, but not by much.
PAIRING the previous fluent marker with the new marker will shorten the dog's confusion considerably.

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Switching from audible [click, Yes!, etc] to visible [thumbs-up, jazz-hands, light-flash] is slightly more confusing than from one audible marker to a different audible marker, but not by much.
PAIRING the previous fluent marker with the new marker will shorten the dog's confusion considerably.
I've always used audible, so getting adapt to the change should be easier.
So, ¿once I've started working with clicker, I should only use it without using anymore the ¡GOOD! I used before?
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Go to Canis Clicker Academy
Sign up for the FReE week of beginner lessons.
Start reading - & doing. Don't SKIP any lessons.

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Thanks!! I'll start the free 7 day course!
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