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Old 09-11-2009, 03:07 PM
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sorry to any ceasar fans, but i am starting to think that his show is the bane of my existence, i see people doing things like this all of the time and constantly quoting ceasar as if that makes them behaviorists! i have a hard time w hearing other people too. sometimes i don't even ask for permission, but just jump in and show them how to do something or i ask clover to. even when they see him doing what i ask and are impressed they still act sceptical about advice i give, sometimes angry at me for disproving them......i'm trying to train myself to keep my trap shut when i hear this, but you are right, its hard when you see them doing damage.

I like Ceaser. Would I use many of his methods...no... he is not the end all of knowledge and there is more than one way to skin a cat...

Ceaser is no longer mostly a aversive trainer (i think hes woken up alot... his new shows are MUCH better usually) but yes, I don't understand the "i watch his show and I trained ONE dog (poorly I might add) so now I know everything" mentality I see constantly.

I have had people say clickertraining doesn't work and then I have Emma come to me, sit, down and stay (for example) all on single cues in the middle of a distracting enviroment...then I imform them that she was clickertrained...and people STILL insist it doesn't work...

to me the proof is in the persons OWN experience...like I said before, if they try it once, and fail, they tend to tell everyone it doesn't work and believe their experience is the correct one. Thats why I get so deeply bothered when I see people telling som'one else how to do it wrong, because it affects me.

I must add that not everyone has not believed me, I have met som' really nice people who were very open to the concept. In fact I have one of my coworkers training his dog on a regular basis now with marker training. Hes thrillled with the fast, real, results.

anyway my point is its not brain surgery, and personally I research everything I give, try on, or do to, my dog, because I feel as their owner its my responsibility to be informed.



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Old 09-11-2009, 05:08 PM
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I'm a ceasar fan too-But I don't think his methods work when other people just try them. He spends so much time showing people on his show and in the follow up you can see they *still* don't get it!

I think he's got a great way with dogs-but I don't think many people can pull it off!

I do think one thing he's done that's wonderful-Showing that it's not the dog-it's the owner (ALWAYS!!) and also all his work showing the pitt's aren't sharks!!
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and as long as you watch ceaser you are basically a dog trainer...she then proceeded to give really harmful advice to this woman for about twenty minutes....
I've had similar experiences...this drives me insane.
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basic clicker training isn't difficult to grasp imo, timing can be tuff, but even with bad timing a dog can figure a lot of stuff out.
That was what I meant - the concept of marking a wanted behavior using the clicker is simple to understand, but the timing can be off. Although I think there are also plenty of people who don't understand the basic concept and who think the clicker has magical properties. The same thing goes for some of the aversive training tools like e-collars; people think they are magic gadgets that will give instant results.

My opinion is that if you think logically, and can be patient and consistent, you can probably get what you need to know off the internet to train a dog to be a good companion (assuming there are no serious issues like resource guarding or fear aggression etc.) However that does not describe most people or even most dog owners.
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did somebody catch a bird? I can only assume its dead LOL

Anywho I had one person whose 3 dogs were fighting with other dogs and said they were just playing..um the blood on my dogs face from your latching on is not playing. I finally asked them politely to please remove their dogs from the park before I call the cops lol.

I love how you still approached her LOL I would never have the nerve to even offer help to someone because once they said "I know what I am doing" I would have been like "yea not really lady you suck" and then there would have been a fight lol.

People try and tell me how to train my dogs all the time... I think I am set thanks
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did somebody catch a bird? I can only assume its dead LOL

Anywho I had one person whose 3 dogs were fighting with other dogs and said they were just playing..um the blood on my dogs face from your latching on is not playing. I finally asked them politely to please remove their dogs from the park before I call the cops lol.

I love how you still approached her LOL I would never have the nerve to even offer help to someone because once they said "I know what I am doing" I would have been like "yea not really lady you suck" and then there would have been a fight lol.

People try and tell me how to train my dogs all the time... I think I am set thanks

Chili found a dead bird...it was hilarious, he walked around with it proudly.

Kiwi and this dog were very obviously happy-as-if-they-had-good-sence, playing with each other...they had "chemistry" and seemed to really like each other...I think the owner was just a few crayons shy of a box.

I've been in lots of verbal fights with people, not over training, but over aggressive dogs. I have learned to just leave, and hadn't had an altercation for a LONG time until this girls dog grabbed me and was humping me and I could NOT get him off of me, I had to choke the dog out TWICE and it still came back for more.....its a long story....but this is that girl who claimed to be 'trainer" and said clicker training "makes dogs bite childrens hands" shes was a winner too.

I had made a decision to not get angry, but to be helpful, which didn't work either... oh well. Thats probably why I hang out here so much.



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