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Old 09-11-2009, 11:09 AM
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I need to wear earplugs in public

I swear, the training advice I hear come out of peoples mouths makes me want to scream/cry...

I took Kiwi, Emma, and Chili to the dog park yesterday...we usually go to the far end away from people but they are renovating and it was blocked off...so I was always in earshot of people, which I usually avoid...for exactly this reason.

This woman first comes to me and points at Kiwi and ask if shes my dog... then asks if she didn't like her dog (a huge huge lab) because Kiwi "bit her dog on the eye"

They had accidently bonked heads (hard) while playing and I told her Kiwi loved her dog and they were IMO playing rather well...

she proceeds to bring her dog over and point at his eyeball...I see nothing. I shrug and tell her I don't see anything....she laughs (wierdly) and then walks away, she didn't seem angry.

anyway...so she then starts telling people how well trained her dogs are because she watches ALL the ceaser shows she then starts to call her dog, which ignores her...over and over and over and over...she finally grabs him and jams a treat in his face and starts barking commands at him....

he keeps trying to disengage and run away (even with a treat in his face!) and everytime he does she grabs him, says no, and barks more commands at him using the treat as bait.

I've seen similar stupidity before and usually just laugh shake my head, but this went on for close to AN HOUR on and off...she then proceeded to go over to a woman with a GSD pup and tell her that petsmart is the best place to get a dog trained and as long as you watch ceaser you are basically a dog trainer...she then proceeded to give really harmful advice to this woman for about twenty minutes....

then the circus music played again...the whole "sitsitsitsit...no!....sitsitsit..come here....begbegbeg...NO! Come here! sit sit sit" began all over again.

So I walked over to her and said nicely, "i can show you a better way to do that if you want, use are using the food incorrectly"

she smiles and did the wierd laugh again and simply said "im showing everyone his tricks! hes knows alot of tricks!" and then went back to what she was doing.

At this point I hear two other women talking about clickertraining...and how you are supposed to...and I quote...

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wave the food in the dogs face...then you point at the ground, give the dog a treat, then click, they know this means sit.

ARRRRRRGGGG!!!!!!!

I looked at her and said nicely "thats not the correct way, I can teach you if you'd like" and she gave me a hard stare and then turned around and ignored me.. WTH?



ow ow ow ow ow it hurts. Stupidity should hurt...but they need to stop hurting ME with it.



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Old 09-11-2009, 11:14 AM
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LOL I Feel you!!

I explain clicker training (I'm no pro, but I've taken classes and seminars in behavior/training/clicking etc) and they always seem to think the 'click' the command!! LOL "But how do they know the click means lay down'? :P

Luckily we have a dog park close by that most of the dogs are well behaved and the owners aren't too weird :P


...doesn't watching the dog whisperer make you a qualified behaviorist? Dang-I thought it did ROTFL
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LOL I Feel you!!

I explain clicker training (I'm no pro, but I've taken classes and seminars in behavior/training/clicking etc) and they always seem to think the 'click' the command!! LOL "But how do they know the click means lay down'? :P

Luckily we have a dog park close by that most of the dogs are well behaved and the owners aren't too weird :P

...doesn't watching the dog whisperer make you a qualified behaviorist? Dang-I thought it did ROTFL

YES! They do...I don't get how that makes any sence to anyone....the thing I usually see that bugs me is "clickclickclickclick" and then no reward!!

Click=reward its seriously not that hard of a concept.

There are youtube videos of ZOOS doing it wrong. One was with a gharial and one with tigers....im screaming at the screen...your professionals??? Your making yourselves look like fools!!!



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Heres the tiger one.

YouTube - Tiger Target Training


heres the gharial one

YouTube - ReptileBehavior.Com

these show that the PROS at a ZOO have not even the basic understanding of marker training. I believe the tiger eventually disengages the trainer for lack of a reward.



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That intern with the tiger is terrible!!

I should see if I can find my video's-I clicker train my rabbits-all can beg (Except my blind deaf one-he gets to do whatever he wants) and Rupert can go through a hoop, target and spin It actually works if you know what your doing!
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That intern with the tiger is terrible!!

I should see if I can find my video's-I clicker train my rabbits-all can beg (Except my blind deaf one-he gets to do whatever he wants) and Rupert can go through a hoop, target and spin It actually works if you know what your doing!

awesome!!


yeah, the tiger one makes my skin crawl.



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Honestly some people!
Clicker training isn't as easy as some people make it out to be. For some reason it has become popular and certainly it beats the "old school" methods. I don't think it's something that your average dog owner can learn off the internet though. What's bad I find is if someone knows a little bit about dog training and can throw the buzz words around, that is sometimes enough to snow someone who doesn't know anything.
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Honestly some people!
Clicker training isn't as easy as some people make it out to be. For some reason it has become popular and certainly it beats the "old school" methods. I don't think it's something that your average dog owner can learn off the internet though. What's bad I find is if someone knows a little bit about dog training and can throw the buzz words around, that is sometimes enough to snow someone who doesn't know anything.

Its also not a hard concept either. I don't think the average person can't grasp that a click= a reward. To me its easier than learning about corrections, how and when and how intense to do them...yet people all the time use corrections.

I don't care that people don't understand it...its that they THINK they do and then start to "teach" it to other people, who in turn fail at it and then tell everyone they know that clicker training doesn't work. Most people I meet swear that clickertraining doesn't work because they "tried it" and failed.


I learned it all from internet and reading. Most people do...as there are not many clicker classes available yet. There are gobs of how-to videos for people who need the visual aid.

I simply offered my help as what they were doing was obviously *not* working, not to show off, but because the dog was becoming increasing distressed, i felt I should offer help....and I was looked at like a wierdo, I did not use big words or terms they would not understand.



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sorry to any ceasar fans, but i am starting to think that his show is the bane of my existence, i see people doing things like this all of the time and constantly quoting ceasar as if that makes them behaviorists! i have a hard time w hearing other people too. sometimes i don't even ask for permission, but just jump in and show them how to do something or i ask clover to. even when they see him doing what i ask and are impressed they still act sceptical about advice i give, sometimes angry at me for disproving them......i'm trying to train myself to keep my trap shut when i hear this, but you are right, its hard when you see them doing damage.



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basic clicker training isn't difficult to grasp imo, timing can be tuff, but even with bad timing a dog can figure a lot of stuff out.



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