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Old 09-06-2017, 06:44 PM
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Husky/wolf hybrids

Backstory- 9 years ago, we got our male husky/wolf hybrid as a pup. At the time, our neighbor had just had his male dog neutered and warned my husband not to do it as it would change the dogs personality completely- so my husband begged me not to do it. Okay. Fast forward 2 years later, we rescued a female husky pup, had her spayed immediately, and they got along beautifully forever. She has always been submissive to him and I think that's why they've never really had an issue with each other. Here we are, male-9, female-7 and last year we decided to breed our male to have one of his pups as he's getting older. The pup is now 10 months old. All 3 have gotten along great until last week. Father & son can't even be remotely close to each other without attacking one another. Our female wants nothing to do with them as they're always trying to fight. They've gotten ahold of each other 3x now and it was nearly impossible to break them up. They go crazy trying to attack each other every time they see the other. Our vet says neutering the younger one may help alittle, but with their breed at this point they've probably written each other off and will always be this way. I'm at my wits end. Help!
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Old 09-07-2017, 08:19 AM
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What they are doing is figuring out which one is the boss. I would keep them separated for the rest of the time. Males are very dominant and territorial they usually will establish dominance once the puppy is grown up( when he can mate). He was able to mate four months ago so they did good for a while. Your vet is probably right. With my huskies I have three males and they can't be by one another at all but I don't think fixing the pup will not help. Your going to have to keep them separated. They can both play with your female but don't let them out together. Safety for the dogs is key. I would make a schedule for them and make sure both males get proper play time and training wearing them out every day will probably help. Just don't let them by one another unless one is in the cage what they are doing is normal.
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Unhappy Oh, dear - not good.

OK - let's start at the beginning.
Hybrids are a bad idea; wolves aren't dogs, & dogs aren't wolves; they're interfertile, which means they produce fertile offspring & are more-closely related than donkeys & horses, who produce sterile offspring, but not by much.

Nobody thinks a lion is a tiger, or a tiger is a lion; yet they too are interfertile species, & will breed IN CAPTIVITY to produce hybrids. // They don't hybridize in the wild; a mommy tiger & a daddy lion, or vice-versa, don't get together to raise their mixed litter, & everyone lives happily ever after, with the grown-up tigons & ligers going off to find other mates, & rearing their own babies.
Tigers mate with tigers, lions with lions; tigers hunt solo, & lionesses form prides, with serial males as sires & territorial guards, & the related lionesses hunting together, co-rearing cubs, & holding the turf.
Different lifestyles, different behaviors, different INTERFERTILE species.
Same with dogs & wolves; that they're interfertile doesn't mean they aren't chalk & cheese different in behaviors.

However - U got a hybrid, who is now 9-YO & still intact; U bred him to a F Husky about a year ago, & surprise! - his intact son is not getting along with his intact sire.
Well, in the wild - where he can't be & doesn't belong - A WOLF'S SON would disperse; he'd leave the family home, find a mate, they'd find a territory to feed them, & start raising their own kids... to grow up, learn from them, help raise their younger siblings, & disperse to find a mate, territory,...

There's no "dispersing" from a pet home. // I'd neuter them both; 9-YO dad doesn't need his gonads, nor does his 75% dog / 25% wolf hybrid son.

I'd also keep them separate using crate rotation & separate parts of the house, then i'd carefully re-introduce them IN CONTROLLED CIRCS with both on leash & separated by a distance that lets them be aware but calm - "under threshold".
I'd make the presence of The Other the key to all good things: food / meals, play, long walks, etc, etc.
They would never be close-enuf to interact until such time as i saw definitive signs of happy anticipation when they saw one another - which might be months away, or may be never.

Individuals can learn to hate one another just as easily as they can learn to love one another, & these 2 may never be buddies; they might achieve a tenuous truce, they might learn to be civil, or they may fight any time they get the chance for the rest of their lives, & need constant management to keep them safe.
There's no way to know which, in advance.
However, the sooner U get the testosterone out of the equation, the better, IME & IMO.

- terry

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If you truly have a wolf-dog then you're in a really bad situation.
Wolves are not pets. Wolves are not dogs and may have a lot more issues accepting another wolf into their pack.
I agree with Leashedforlife for how to reintroduce them. Though, I'd also invest in some nice basket muzzles and work on getting them used to those--just in case of an accident.

I hope you also bred responsibly. Wolfdogs aren't necessarily legal or easy to care for, insuring that a lot of those pups won't be well taken care of if they were just sold all wily nilly.
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Lightbulb box-muzzles // hybrids' legal status

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... I'd also invest in some nice basket muzzles and work on getting them used to those -- just in case of an accident.

I hope you also bred responsibly. Wolfdogs aren't necessarily legal or easy to care for, insuring that a lot of those pups won't be well taken care of if they were just sold all wily nilly.
pre-conditioning basket muzzles for both would be an excellent safety precaution - just DON'T USE MUZZLES as an excuse to let them get close, or let them loose together! -
lunging at one another & snarling, even with no bloodshed, only deepens the rut of habitual aggro.

here's my fave video on positively pre-conditioning -

personally, i suggest to all my clients that they buy a muzzle to fit their dog, & pre-condition it BEFORE they need it; it's virtually inevitable that at some point in their lifetime, a dog will be in pain, in a panic, or need a muzzle for vet manipulation, etc.
Having one ahead that the dog knows well, & doesn't mind wearing a bit, is a huge reduction in stress.

Putting a muzzle on for the vet's safety can make appts much less stressful for everyone.
My Akita rode in the car with a muzzle on, just in case of an accident - i didn't want some trigger-happy trooper shooting my dog.

I am so, so glad that i don't live in VA any more; not just the horrible Tidewater climate, & the Pleistocene era attitudes, but the WOLF HYBRIDS.

At least once or twice a year, i'd get a desperate phone-call from someone who wanted to "re-home" their hybrid. In Mass., they are considered regulated wildlife; the state requires a permit before purchase, mandates caging standards, etc.

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personally, i suggest to all my clients that they buy a muzzle to fit their dog, & pre-condition it BEFORE they need it; it's virtually inevitable that at some point in their lifetime, a dog will be in pain, in a panic, or need a muzzle for vet manipulation, etc.
Having one ahead that the dog knows well, & doesn't mind wearing a bit, is a huge reduction in stress.

Putting a muzzle on for the vet's safety can make appts much less stressful for everyone.
My Akita rode in the car with a muzzle on, just in case of an accident - i didn't want some trigger-happy trooper shooting my dog.

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My dog is used to both a basket and a cloth muzzle and it's made our lives so much better.
It was initially to go to her "re-socialization" classes, but it's come in handy in a lot of places. Mainly the vet's, but also family functions with untrained children.


I feel that wolfdogs are tragic. To be half way between domesticated and wild leaves them with no where to be unless they have a truly dedicated owner, they're squeezed into a sanctuary, or they win the genetic lottery and are well adjusted animals.
Most people don't do their research and breeders just want to make money.

I've only seen one wolfdog in my city and it was amazing and beautiful, but also eerie. Not even my dog wanted to go after it, despite the fact that she'll hurl her 15lbs at horses, mastiffs, and trucks.
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Unhappy Seeing hybrids at dog-functions was always sad.

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I feel that wolf/dogs are tragic. To be half-way between domesticated and wild leaves them with nowhere to be unless they have a truly dedicated owner, they're squeezed into a sanctuary, or they win the genetic lottery and are well adjusted animals.
Most people don't do their research, & breeders [of wolf-hybrids] just want to make money.

I've only seen one wolf-dog in my city and [s/he] was amazing & beautiful, but also eerie.
Not even my dog wanted to go after it, [altho] she'll hurl her 15-lbs at horses, mastiffs, and trucks.
A friend of mine who also volunteered at the 'Virginia Zoo' in Norfolk, as i did, was a vet-tech who trained dogs as a sideline.
She had a woman attend her beginning manners class with a 12-WO hybrid; it was sad, this woman was afraid of her own puppy! at only 3-MO, & wouldn't or couldn't do many of the exercises, because she wouldn't handle her pup & was too tentative about giving her directions - not being harsh, just showing her what she wanted the pup TO DO.
The hybrid-pup actually did better when they traded puppies - other ppl treated her more normally & less like a grenade with the pin pulled, & she felt more comfortable & was more relaxed.

At the end of the class, Lisa asked her if she was going to get her spayed soon - she was coming up on 5-mos, & spay-B4-1st-estrus virtually eliminates the risk of mammary tumors [4X as likely in F dogs as in F humans].
Lisa also told the owner she'd be happy to discount her next class, as she thought the pup was doing better, was less fearful, & would benefit by more socialization.
The answer was heartbreaking - the woman said they already had a MALE hybrid, who lived in a pen in their yard; the puppy had been living in the house,"but now that she's old enuf, we're going to put her in with him, & when they have pups, we'll sell them".

THEIR MALE HYBRID WEIGHED OVER 100# - he was almost 4-YO; the 5-MO bitch weighed maybe 35?... & the male was UN-HANDLEABLE. He'd lived in that cyclone-fencing pen, floored with concrete, roofed with corrugated steel, with an attached kennel for foul weather, since he was 6-MO; THEY THREW HIS FOOD OVER THE FENCE, thru a slot cut at the top of the wire, 8-ft above the ground, under the roof rafter.
When they walked past the pen, he paced alongside them, growling; he had to be out cold for vet-work.

This is the animal they think will make a good sire?! -
& the dam is a shrinking violet, who quivers if someone glances at her, spends all her time with her tail glued to her belly, & folds down onto the ground if someone SPEAKS to her?!?!
Oh, yeah... they're gonna make wonderful pups as pet-prospects. Are U crazy?!

Lisa felt so sorry for that puppy; she said she genuinely believed euthanizing her would be kinder than to stuff her into the cage with the adult male, as an annual puppy-factory.
Poor scared thing.
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3-years later, i'm at the annual Bark in the Park - there's a guy sitting with me at the PACC booth, he's a dog-lover & doesn't know much about breeds. I'm pointing out various breeds & mixes, a Shiba, a Boston [BULL AND] Terrier, a Presa, a Scottish Deerhound, & here comes a hybrid - slinking along behind the handler, at the very end of the 6-ft leash, tail tucked, ears flat, eyes darting side to side, mouth CLOSED on an 80'F day with 85% humidity... terrified.
I tell him, 'that's a hybrid', & start explaining what the body language means.
THE OWNER announces loudly to the crowd, "HE"S NOT A HYBRID - HE"S A WOLF-DOG... HYBRIDS ARE VEGETABLES."
No - hybrids are deliberate crosses of species or pure strains, to produce specific outcomes such as a mule, or a drought-resistant wheat strain, or a high-production 6-way cross of sweet-corn. They are all "hybrids", honey, & U better get used to the term.

He walked off, very irked, with his poor scared mongrel slithering along after him halfway to the grass, his legs bent as he walked to make himself less conspicuous... mouth still closed in the miserable sticky heat, tail still plastered to his belly, avoiding eye-contact, jumping at the sound of the emcee's voice on the live-radio broadcast from the box-truck, veering wide to get as far as possible from passing humans.
Oh, sure - it's a great socialization opportunity, bring yer hybrid along to Bark-in-the-Park... to get completely overwhelmed by noise, crowds of staring strangers, children running toward them to "pet the doggy", traffic sounds from the food trucks, barkers in the booths hawking their wares at 90-dB, loud rock-music over 4-ft tall speakers, barking overexcited dogs everywhere... it'll be wonderful. /Sarcasm.

Ya gotta wonder what sort of penis-extension his hybrid served as - "Look at me, I can control this wild animal"? -- "See, i can afford this luxury item"? - "I'm hip, i'm cool, i own a hybrid"? -- who knows.
But i remember thinking it was bad-enuf he'd bought the poor thing, thus encouraging a repeat breeding next year for another string of profitable sales to young dingbats, but it was much, much-worse that he was so clueless about the stress that he was putting his "beloved pet" thru without a single qualm. Complete lack of empathy.
He even assured me, "he's fine..." --- yeah; i can see that. If 'fine' is 3 heartbeats from screaming hysterics, he's just dandy.

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