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Old 04-12-2019, 07:04 AM
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Great, it worked out. Can't wait to hear when your pup tries it.
Please share if you master the dehydrator process.

I will, my husband could not find the dehydrator at Wal-mart so I ended up ordering one off Amazon. It worked out well because my LARGE previously leash trained pup has decided he no longer needs to do that and yesterday he PULLED and PULLED and it was awful.



After the struggle walk yesterday I wanted to order a gentle leader so needed both things to get the free shipping. The gentle leader we already own is too small and after he did so well I thought maybe just the harness. When I tried the gentle leader on him he accepted it so hopefully he is already trained for it, but it was too small to buckle.



I only got a short walk in with him with my son because I was getting pulled so much and was starting to feel very frustrated. After my husband got home - we took him out again for a longer walk. We stopped and sat every time he did it and got a bit better, but best part is he did much better this morning - only had to stop 3 times.


We guess he is just now feeling like part of the pack and testing all the limits or trying to move up in the pecking order. He is testing the limits in a few other ways as well. However, still eager to please and he seems to know off and leave it and no, so nothing major. On the flip side he is getting better with other commands (recall - which is good because we renamed him, sit before going in and out, etc.)
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We got a new pup yesterday and are not new to dog ownership. But my husband and I have had dogs growing up as well as the entire time we have been homeowners (19 years)! Our most recent pup passed away from old age in November and my children have been relentless about getting a new dog and I said this summer, but we didn't make it.



Prior to this dog (3 years old) we have always started with puppies. The good news is our new dog is already house trained and leash trained but little else. He is LARGE (100 lbs!) and not food motivated. He does seem eager to please.


Training sit is very hard because he doesn't want the treat and pushing his butt down is very hard due to his size. The traditional way we teach lay is for the pup to follow our hand and we bring the treat down - but he doesn't care for the treat so that doesn't work he just walks away.

He does like positive "good boy" with pets so are slowly getting the sit.


Really struggling with come and lay down and stay since he doesn't want the treat.

We did try with little bits of egg this morning and that helped for sit.

HELP - our usual training techniques are failing us. We have never had a dog this large (though previous dogs all large-ish - 60 lbs). How do you best train a dog that doesn't want the treat?


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You may have had dogs but apparently know little about puppies. You have a puppy that is as new to the world as a human toddler, both with much in common. The puppy should not be expected to be treated like an adult dog. Crate training? Why? Did you get a puppy to put in jail or are you willing to learn how to raise a puppy into secure adulthood and through to old age?

Puppies need to be pottied all the time, when the wake up from the frequent naps, after eating and about every hour. You need to be very attentive until the baby learns to go through the dog door which you should install immediately if you don't already have one. There are many models. I love the one installed in my sliding glass door.

Go to PetSmart or Petco and talk to one of the dog people who can educate you on puppies and their care requirements. They know their stuff. I think they have puppyclasses. Dog training is the single most important step you will make for you and the dog to permanently bond and mutually trust each other. Puppy class is for puppies then there is regular obedience classes that you will practice with the dog every single day. Heel, sit, down, stay, on leash and stay on a 25 foot leash. Any adult class should end with a canine good citizen certificate. A good class is 8 weekly classes where they will recommend you not feed the dog before going to the class, keep the dog at rest, crate the dog during the ride to the class. You will be expected to prepare for each class, practicing all prior classes daily with your dog. And guess what? In the end you will have complete understanding with your dog and also your dog will always be safe from harm because the dog will obey all of your requests. A good dog trainer will not recommend a pinch collar because they can break your dog's neck. They will recommend a prong collar because it applies even tighening and you will have complete control.

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but apparently know little about puppies. You have a puppy that is as new ...Puppies ....I think they have puppyclasses....Puppy class is for puppies then there is regular obedience classes that you

A good dog trainer will not recommend a pinch collar because they can break
I don't know what you are talking about (posted on the wrong thread?).
We did not adopt a puppy, we adopted a 3 year old dog who is completely housebroken.

We are not using a pinch collar when walking pup. He is on a regular collar for tags use and we use a halter for walks. When he pulls we stop and sit.

And no, this doesn't help my situation at all.
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I don't know what you are talking about (posted on the wrong thread?).
We did not adopt a puppy, we adopted a 3 year old dog who is completely housebroken.

We are not using a pinch collar when walking pup. He is on a regular collar for tags use and we use a halter for walks. When he pulls we stop and sit.
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Yup, it does sound like she posted this reply in response to someone else's thread. Either that or you have a really, really big new puppy that weighs 100 lbs so far!!!!! LOL
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Oh, good catch on the free shipping one. I went ahead and bought 2 packs of the one with free shipping (bc each pack was only 2 oz). Then I can see how he likes it. And if it makes sense I can order more of the other kind and get the free shipping.


Spoke with the husband and he said he will run out at lunch today, check on the pup and grab a dehydrator. No worries on cleaning it because myself, my husband or one of my 2 children (they are older so big help) - it will get done. We make big messes often and it always gets cleaned up.



He is a funny, funny dog. He will only do his tricks for the good treats at home. But my friend stopped by yesterday to meet him and I gave her a milk bone to give him and he did all the tricks super fast for her for just a milk bone. He likes to sniff your hand and see what you have before he decides what he is going to do.


Oh and he also loves the chase a treat from the video posted. He loves it and definitely knows his new name now using that method.



Lots of great help here! Thank you so much!
Yay!! Glad I could help!!

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Yay!! Glad I could help!!
Great news! Both the dehydrator and the treats arrived today. We tried the dried pork and it was a huge hit. During his walk I would say his name if he saw a goose or another dog and tried to pull, he knew I had the dried pork and he would turn and stop pulling at goose/dog/interest. He would stop sniffing and keep walking for a piece of dried pork.

Definitely a big help on training during walks. The postcard that came with the treats said Picky Eaters Approved. And I agree, before today he would not take a treat during a walk. Bonus the ones I got come in little individual bags, so I plan to reuse the bags for the ones I make.

We will break in the dehydrator this weekend and hope it's just as successful.

Oh, also he is NOT gentle leader trained. We put it on him and he would tolerate for the seconds he was getting the treats and that's about it. So good thing we have treats he likes for the halter walks because the gentle leader isn't happening anytime soon.
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Great news! Both the dehydrator and the treats arrived today. We tried the dried pork and it was a huge hit. During his walk I would say his name if he saw a goose or another dog and tried to pull, he knew I had the dried pork and he would turn and stop pulling at goose/dog/interest. He would stop sniffing and keep walking for a piece of dried pork.

Definitely a big help on training during walks. The postcard that came with the treats said Picky Eaters Approved. And I agree, before today he would not take a treat during a walk. Bonus the ones I got come in little individual bags, so I plan to reuse the bags for the ones I make.

We will break in the dehydrator this weekend and hope it's just as successful.

Oh, also he is NOT gentle leader trained. We put it on him and he would tolerate for the seconds he was getting the treats and that's about it. So good thing we have treats he likes for the halter walks because the gentle leader isn't happening anytime soon.
Awesome! That sounds great!

My personal opinion on gentle leaders: not a fan. Dogs usually hate them, and they can even be dangerous, causing whiplash in really bad pullers. I would use a prong or martingale any day over a gentle leader. If you're having good luck just using treats, that's fine as well though .

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Great news! Both the dehydrator and the treats arrived today. .

We will break in the dehydrator this weekend and hope it's just as successful.
Such good news about the treats helping out! Very happy to hear you are having success with your dog! Love, love, love hearing that.

But....All this talk about making treats with the dehydrator is making me want to make some chicken jerky for my dogs now!!!!

I was about to go buy some chicken tonight, but then------my sig other just informed me that he was helping neighbor with a broken/fallen tree and suddenly---he chopped part of our wooden fence in our backyard!!! EEEEK.

SO no jerky tonight!

Keep the updates coming!
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My personal opinion on gentle leaders: not a fan. Dogs usually hate them, and they can even be dangerous, causing whiplash in really bad pullers.

Well, we did the gentle leader today after our walk. Just to put it on him and give him a couple of treats and take it off, i couldn't get to 2nd treat out fast enough and he started pulling it off and "freaking" out. So it wasn't even a successful try on this morning.

Plus I am concerned since he is so new and still learning to trust us this may inhibit us in other areas of becoming part of our pack since he is so adverse to it.

So at this point he will probably be well trained on the harness long before he will allow the gentle leader. I had great success with my last pup with it, she didn't mind it so much, she was very food motivated so would put it on for the treat and while she was leashed trained she had a strong prey instinct and would pull me over if something crossed our path. And she associated it with runs. However, new pup seems to be extra intolerant of it. Maybe I should just return it while I can.



On the plus side he loves the dried beef that came with the treat sampler too. My children are super excited to make dried jerky this weekend. My daughter is a vegetarian but my son wants to make beef jerky for himself. With Easter weekend, we only have 1 soccer game between the 2 of them.


Thanks all. Lots of great advice here that is making training more successful!
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My last dog hated the gentle leaders. He tore off and broke two of them in less than five seconds, one right in front of the trainer. Despite treats. He hated them and would get so frantic and stressed it was cruel to even try them. So harness it was. He was a very strong 75 pound freight train but he was perfect loose and never left my side. Akita pitbull mix so extremely powerful and built like a tank. He got very good on the harness.

My current dog has gotten up to 95 pounds at his most and has knocked down all my friends including some pretty strong large guys. He fools everyone because he's so quiet and lazy and walks quietly on a loose leash most of the time. He acts old and tired lol. Then he sees another dog or rabbit particularly and ZOOM! He charges like a rocket launch with absolutely no warning, just goes like a racehorse out of the starting gate, from zero to sixty. People offer to walk him and come back bleeding and bruised complaining the he pulled them into a pole or tree or knocked them down and either got away or dragged them.
He destroyed a gentle lead and a halter/halti/similar contraption too. He tolerated it better and wore the gentle lead for a few months. But it didn't help as much as the harness and I was worried he'd hurt his neck or back with all the twisting and pulling he was still able to do. I also saw an article or warning somewhere that they caused spinal neck damage in dogs, or could.
He only knocked me down once the first year and that was in a snowstorm when it was very slippery out. Has a few close calls but I'm also used to handling thousand pound horses.

He's pretty good now, so using treats and praise and just being very consistent with a harness of never letting him get away with pulling getting him anywhere can work with time.

I just say heel and stop or change direction and he comes back and sits next to me. He either gets his favorite bacon treats or lots of praise and ear scratches and we go on.

I know a lot of people say the gentle leads are supposed to be so kind and great training aids but I don't like them. I've never had a dog not find them invasive and highly stressful and then gave the potential to cause neck damage. I like harnesses much better. I've never had to train a dog to accept a harness, they just do and aren't stressed by them. And the key to a well trained dog is the training anyway, not the equipment.

My horses and current and last fog would all stay with me and follow me completely loose in an emergency and stay with me using only voice commands and treats for insurance. Granted that's not something I want to test every day in every situation but they're all well trained enough to stay with me with no heavy equipment. My last dog and ancient horse would stay with me and follow me loose in every situation. This dog is improving and my younger horse has a mischievous side lol.

I've noticed he pulls more if he really has to go to the bathroom and we're headed to one of his favorite spots. If he drank a lot and I've not taken him out for a long time, I let him be stronger then since I should have taken him out sooner. If I'm rushing to use the bathroom I wouldn't like some control freak telling me to wait lol.
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