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Old 09-15-2017, 01:52 AM
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One correction, cats who teeth chatter absolutely will vocalize!!! I've had many cats and still have 2 and every one of them vocalized while teeth chattering at a bird or squirrel.
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One correction, cats who teeth chatter absolutely will vocalize!!!
I've had many cats and still have 2 and every one of them vocalized while teeth chattering at a bird or squirrel.
were they INDOORS watching thru a window or door, or OUTdoors - looking, then stalking?

Feel free to sample UTube clips with the search-phrase, 'teeth-chattering cats' - it looks as tho approx 1/2 of cats indoors looking out, vocalize as well as teeth-chatter.

the cats on our farm [some ours; others, ferals who came simply to cadge food] did NOT vocalize while staring at prey - only chattered teeth, then decided on their vector & began to stalk. // "Our" cats numbered approx 8 - visitors changed constantly, & might total over 2-dozen known cats of various ages, sexes, & colors; maybe 4 to 8 would be stealing food at any given time.

I also observed the many owned & feral & abandoned cats in Ocean View, a Norfolk neighborhood along the bay - they, too, being outside & hoping to score, did not vocalize when they sighted prey.
One night in early-fall, i waited for a bus that was running late; i looked down 11th Bay, & counted the cats as they appeared, crossed the street, hunkered under porches, lurked under cars, etc;
27 different cats, in 45-mins - patched, striped, solid black / blue, tuxedo, U name it... in a 2-block length of that street, while i stood on Ocean View Ave.

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Old 09-15-2017, 09:28 PM
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I borrowed my neighbor's teeth chattering cat to wean my dog off of treats. did I get that correct?

Hey leashed, what did/do you do to get your dog to exhibit commanded obedience without an obvious material reward being present? I assume you have a dog, don't you?
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@DriveDog that's good lol I'm curious as to what you did too??
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@DriveDog that's good lol I'm curious as to what you did too??
I posted this earlier in this thread, hopefully it gives you an idea of what I did in a general sense.

" With my current dog, I started the training process with food and basic luring. I then indulged the dog's ball drive as well as using a tug and frisbee for reward. Praise always was included as well as my positive verbal marker. However, like many people I felt the dog was working too much for the obvious reward and started training the dog with its ball/frisbee/tug in the dog's possession rather than giving the ball etc. after a task was completed. The dog was not near as crisp in the beginning because there was no pending material reward because the dog already had it. We continued and the dog came around and standard rewards were no longer required. So, I guess I started this thread with a question which has had my curiosity, if the dog doesn't need inducements or the promise of getting a reward of the typical type then what is it that the dog is working for? Kmes suggestion that the dog enjoys the particular activity where the activity is the reward due to pleasurable association. I can see that but it seems too broad for me to imagine my dog enjoying all of her obedience and skills without any pending reward of the obvious.

Markie mentioned something in a different post which made me really think and the comment was something like, the dog trusts the treat more than the human in a particular instance. I have seen this firsthand with some people who interact with my dog. My dog has that typical aloofness GSDs are noted for and treats/rewards don't go very far with my dog if the person confuses my dog trying to teach a behavior, the dog just disengages and I don't blame her one bit because the cart has been placed in front of the horse in her mind. "


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Well yes but I was curious as to what leashed for life did with her dog not yours I know you work with your dogs that is how you answer people with your own experiences with your dogs. I'm sorry I didn't mean to confuse that.
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Talking "What i did over the summer"... // Composition theme?

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...I was curious ... what LFL did with her dog ...
Then i'm afraid U'll need to ask me directly.

Is there a particular focus, or a particular dog, or would U like me to list EVERYthing i've done, with all of my personal dogs?

That would be:
- Beagle
- GSD x Keeshond
- silver GSD
- Bassett x Dachshund
- Groenendahl
- Akita


If i include fosters who lived with me, that's quite a few more, various breeds & cross-breeds.
If i include B-Mod cases, mostly from PACC, who lived with me, that's another 6 or 8, mostly cross-bred.

U'll need to narrow it down B4 I can answer.
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To answer leashedForLife, all my cats were and are indoor only. Even the adult feral that I've taken in and tamed, as well as the true tame ones would vocalize through the windows. If they were allowed outside and actually had a chance of catching the prey they'd probably learn not to make a sound to ruin their catch. My one cat loves cathing flies that get in through holes in the window screen. He never makes a sound but catches and eats every one within less than five minutes. Awesome little hunter. Unfortunately I recently found out that he's allergic to flies and many household insects as well as just about other things.
Interestingly, my other cat who chatters and vocalizes the most is quiet if he's actually trying to catch a moth or any insect that he sees in the place. They seem to know when they have a chance at catching the prey or not.
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Is there a particular focus, or a particular dog, or would U like me to list EVERYthing i've done, with all of my personal dogs?



I'd love to hear about any one of them or all of them or the easiest one or the most difficult one or the most unique methods you used. Yes, your personal hands on experience with any of your dogs regarding fading material reward and having the dog exhibit crisp and accurate responses to your commands sans the presence of any material reward.
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How about your easiest dog of your own LFL??
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