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Old 09-14-2017, 12:34 PM
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Teeth chattering - since you mentioned it. What does this mean? I've seen Mira do it several times but under different circumstances so I haven't been able to figure out what it means.

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Another self rewarding behavior: barking. Mira is a very talkative dog and seems to think everything needs to be shouted very loudly, and it seems to make her very happy and pleased with herself to do so. Now that the weather is cooler, I have my windows open and there's all sorts of new sounds (and smells, probably) for her to bark at.

So we've been practicing our indoor voices; lower volume huffs and grrrruffs and moans and even a soft awoo woo now and then are all perfectly acceptable for indoor conversation. I'm sure it's not as self rewarding for her to talk at a moderate volume, but I'm hoping I can convince her that it's an acceptable trade off since she can talk to her heart's content if she keeps her voice down, but if she barks I have to cut her off after one or two. I share a wall with a neighbor who goes to bed early and wakes up at the crack of dawn. A bark or two if she seems someone outside is over quickly and not that big a deal, but the loud ongoing WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF WOOF is no bueno.

Does teaching bark on command as reward for good behavior work, or would that just encourage the behavior I want to minimize?
Go Mira!

Zody is so funny when we get back from a car ride. He'll get super excited to get out the car, and once out he'll start barking all the while trotting back and forth with his chest out looking all proud of himself. I always imagine that he thinks of himself as king of his territory announcing his return.
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Teeth chattering - since you mentioned it. What does this mean? I've seen Mira do it several times, but under different circumstances, so I haven't been able to figure out what it means.
teeth-chattering usually goes with 2 things: Excitement / arousal, & Frustration.

Arousal is just overall excitement - i stipulate b/c some folks think it only refers to sexual excitement, & i had a client tell me his dog "couldn't be aroused, 'cuz he didn't have an erection" - which of course really confused the owner.

Anyway, a dog who sees her best-buddy approaching the house while looking thru the window is likely to become aroused - pupils dilate, BP rises, resp/ pulse increase, she might hackle slightly [piloerection], woof happily, her tail wags, & she bounces toward the door.

Cats will teeth-chatter at the sight of prey - if they are outside, teeth-chattering is only usually seen when they first sight the prey; as soon as they determine an approach & start stalking, teeth-chattering stops.
INDOOR cats will teeth-chatter while watching birds at a feeder, but they don't seem distressed; they don't vocalize, & most won't jump at the window once they realize it sends the birds away. // They want the birds to stay; they want to watch - this is cat-TV.
Nonetheless, the teeth-chatter indicates a certain level of frustration; mild, but it's there.

A dog who loves to chase things, a BC or Aussie, or with a thing for birds, like a Springer or Cocker, might jump at the window nearest the bird-feeder, just to see the birds flare off, settle, return, & s/he can scare them again. It's a game. Some dogs get crazy over it: a working-lines GSD belonging to a client would hurl himself at the patio-sliders nearest the bird-feeders so hard, she thought he'd break a bone... & he'd teeth-chatter like a Spanish dancer with castanets as soon as he saw ONE bird in the yard.
Bear in mind, this is a dog who chased flying leaves outside in fall - thru the windows. Moving branches in a breeze. Shadows of moving branches, on the floor. Oy.

He'd also teeth-chatter at the sight of the postie coming with the mail, a leashed dog walking by on the city sidewalk [her house was fully 50-ft back from the near edge], joggers, bicyclists, etc - all things he'd like to chase - but he couldn't; the wall, the window, something prevented him from accosting them.
This GSD was dog-reactive, dog-aggro, & stranger-intolerant - he could just barely tolerate pedestrians who WALKED on the city sidewalk past their [unfortunately open-plan] house; he'd bark like a fool & rush to the nearest window to tell them off, but he wouldn't teeth-chatter.
Teeth-chattering was reserved for targets who pushed his buttons - they moved quickly [bicyclists], or made noise [skateboards], or trespassed [the postie] - the ones he apparently wanted to assault, not merely chase off.

The ones he wanted to bite were the ones that elicited teeth-chattering.

Does that help?

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What in the world does self rewarding have to do with fading material rewards? I'm most likely missing the connection between the two?
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Folks, keep threads on topic. If you'd like to start a new thread to talk about self-rewarding behaviors, feel free.
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Go Mira!

Zody is so funny when we get back from a car ride. He'll get super excited to get out the car, and once out he'll start barking all the while trotting back and forth with his chest out looking all proud of himself. I always imagine that he thinks of himself as king of his territory announcing his return.
LOL! I love that mental image. "Dear loyal subjects of my neighborhood. I have returned. Please bring me offerings of treats and toys at your earliest convenience and notify those in surrounding areas that this is my kingdom."

Mira will be curled up, snoozing on the sofa, and then without doing more than raising her head, she'll be all: MOM MOM MOM, THERE'S A BIRD OUTSIDE! *BARK BARK BARK*
Me: Yes, Mira. I hear the bird, too. It's okay. He's allowed to be there.

Mira: HEY, THAT'S A NEW SOUND! WHAT's THAT?? *BARK BARK* I'm so happy to tell you about all the sounds. BARK BARK BARK *tail wag tail wag tail wag*
Me: That's an owl, Mira. He's allowed to be there, too. Remember that talk we had about indoor voices?

Mira: BUT there's a smelly MONSTER out there somewhere. You need to know that. *BARK ruff ruff WHINE awooo woo woof tail thump tail thump tail thump*
Me: That's just a man mowing his lawn 2 streets over, but thank you for using your indoor voice. Good job, Mira. *petpet*

Mira: *huff ruff whine YAWN whineeeee ruff ruff*
Me: Good girl. Thank you for letting me know. Everything's ok. Good indoor voice. *petpetpetpet* *treat*
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Removed because off topic. Apologies.

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Arrow re self-rewarding / Barking & hush

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https://www.dogforum.com/dog-training...ematic-333986/

re reducing barking.
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Sorry, folks. It made sense to me in the context of ways to reward your dogwhen training without using food; using the dog's natural types of self rewarding behaviors as incentive to do what you want. Premack principle and all.
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Red face with respect, this is actually part of the topic

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... keep threads on topic.
If you'd like to start a new thread to talk about self-rewarding behaviors, feel free.
the topic is "how to get a dog to do what U want, without using food".
Using a self-rewarding behavior as the payoff for desired behaviors is a perfect example of foodless, reward-based training.

The BC who's NOT barking & charging the fence, is the one who gets to herd.
The BC who drops on cue, gets to keep herding; the one that keeps moving is out.

The Lab who brings the bumper / duck to hand, keeps fetching / hunting; the one who plays keep-away is out.

Etc.
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the topic is "how to get a dog to do what U want, without using food".
Using a self-rewarding behavior as the payoff for desired behaviors is a perfect example of foodless, reward-based training.

The BC who's NOT barking & charging the fence, is the one who gets to herd.
The BC who drops on cue, gets to keep herding; the one that keeps moving is out.

The Lab who brings the bumper / duck to hand, keeps fetching / hunting; the one who plays keep-away is out.

Etc.
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