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Old 11-14-2017, 02:19 PM
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Hi all - my first post here - really hoping for some positive and helpful feedback. I have a 6 year old male Jack Russell cross (Toby) who had been badly treated before he came to me at around 7 months old. He has always displayed symptoms of separation anxiety. Recently he has shown an increased level of anxiety around my 2 year old niece (my sister and I live together) and we have experienced a number of bites, which have been distressing to all concerned. We are lucky that these bites have not been puncture wounds and have been limited to my niece's hands. We have made several changes around the house - use of child gates etc. We have tried various medications without success, and had a behaviourist on board. Her approach was a desensitization separation anxiety programme with the aim of helping Toby to be kept separated without distressing him (he barks, howls, defecates). However - I feel this approach hasn't worked - we are months down the line without improvement. I feel we are running out of options - our vet raised rehoming/euthanasia routes during our last visit. I don't feel ready to give up (though I realise I may have to). This post feels like a last roll of the dice - a plea for help. Can anyone contribute anything that we haven't thought of/tried? A behaviourist with a different approach? An unconventional therapy with a proven success rate? A medication route that the vet might not be aware of? All help appreciated - thanks so much for reading.
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Following! I'd love some games for my puppy, too. She's nose-to-the-ground all the time as well.
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Have y'all tried a different trainer? Everyone has different approaches to problems, a different set of eyes may come in and have better luck......
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Did the bites break skin?
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Arrow we need more details, please, to avoid duplicating past efforts.

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...really hoping for some positive and helpful feedback.

I have a 6 year old male Jack Russell cross (Toby) who was badly treated before he came to me at around 7-MO. He's always displayed symptoms of separation anxiety.

Recently he shows increased... anxiety around my 2-YO niece (my sister and I live together) & we've experienced a number of bites, which have been distressing to all concerned.
We are lucky that these bites have not been puncture wounds and have been limited to my niece's hands.

We have made several changes... use of child gates, etc. We have tried various medications without success, & had a behaviourist ... Her approach was a desensitization separation anxiety programme with the aim of helping Toby to be kept separated without distressing him (he barks, howls, defecates).

However - I feel this approach hasn't worked... months down the line, without improvement, I feel we are running out of options - our vet raised rehoming/ euthanasia ...during our last visit.

I don't feel ready to give up ... I realise I may have to.

This post feels like a last roll of the dice - a plea for help. Can anyone contribute anything that we haven't thought of/ tried?
A behaviourist with a different approach? An unconventional therapy with a proven success rate?
A medication route that the vet might not be aware of? All help appreciated - thanks so much for reading.



What, exactly, do U want help with?
Presumably by keeping child & dog separated, she won't be bitten, so the bites shouldn't be an issue - thus I'm presuming the problem is his continued Sep-Anx?
What medication has been used, with what results?
What DS /CC protocol was used to help him learn to be alone, & not freak?

I'm guessing from the spelling that U're in the UK - meds there & meds here in the U-S often have different names.
Meanwhile, please see the downloadable PDF list of B-Mod programs by DVM Overall on another recent thread, download the apropos titles [including the base module, 'Relaxation protocol'], & see if it differs from what U've been doing.

Have U used DAP-collars a-k-a Adaptil collars, or the pump-spray version?
What about an Anxiety Wrap?

can the dog be crated in an airline-approved shipping crate? - they have solid walls & provide a much-greater feeling of privacy & security, vs wide-open permeable WIRE crates, which only pin a dog down in space & leave them trapped, visible to everyone.

Without knowing what's been done, anything we suggest is liable to be a repeat of past "stuff".

How long have U been using the recommended sep-anx protocol? -
How many weeks / months since the behaviorist came by?

I am presuming this was someone accredited, via COAPE / APBC / CCAB / ABTC?

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Did the bites break skin?


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I'd love some games for my puppy, too. She's nose-to-the-ground all the time as well.


I think this is the thread U were looking for:

https://www.dogforum.com/dog-training...iffers-340858/

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Arrow Overall's behavior-mod modules



here's the thread with downloadable B-Mod plans:

https://www.dogforum.com/dog-training...-plans-339770/

these are extremely detailed, as they are DIY manuals with every step written down; don't let it scare U.
They're not difficult, just picky, as things must be done a specific way.

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With thanks for the replies - much appreciated. We are getting a second behaviourist in. In answer to the questions: Managing the SA is the most likely priority, though I would like to see his anxiety around the little one reduced. There are 6 of us living in the house including other children - a 100% separation rate is challenging. Meds: fluoxetine, zylkene, clomicalm in that order for 3-4 months each with disappointing results. We are returning to fluoxetine with dap on veterinary advice. Behaviourist was fully accredited - gave us a lengthy programme based on desensitisation. However Toby is so reactive that after several weeks it felt like we simply weren't progressing and that the level of support we needed was missing. We have just started with a thundershirt and dap collar/spray. He has never been crate trained but has a covered crate which he spends a little time in - he's not especially happy to spend time in there - even with the door open. Hope the extra info helps - thank you for the B-Mod link
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Have you tried giving him a frozen raw marrow bone or stuffed kong while he spends time in the crate? you could also try rescue remedy, I've had good results with one of my dogs that had anxiety, you could also try a white noise machine to help block all the other noise in the house...I'm guessing with 6 people in the house and some of them being children there is a fair amount of noise that may set him off...As a last resort you could talk to your vet about putting him on Xanax... Just curious, how much exercise does he get each day??
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My dog has severe separation anxiety and literally destroyed my last apartment and almost jumped out a third floor window. He's on Zoloft, sertraline is the generic name and it's made a huge difference. The behaviorist tried a bunch of shorter acting meds as well for when I'd leave to go to work in addition to the Zoloft but he got aggressive on all of them. They were clonidine and other benzodiazeoines like Xanax and klonioin. It's a fairly unusual reaction most dogs and people get more relaxed and sleep a few hours. Trazodone also was used to make him sleepy for a stressful event, like me leaving, or maybe for you when lots of kids are running around shouting or a storm, in combination with the Zoloft.

He used to be very reactive out of fear and would bark, growl and lunge at strangers. He never snapped or bit anyone. The behaviorist I saw for that had me distract him with praise and high value treats in busy areas and I just kept stuffing him full of treats and praising him and petting him whenever he was good with strangers. It progressed to now he loves people and goes to everyone wanting pets.
There's methods to desensitized to strangers or kids but the kids can't be loud and abruot and scare him so not sure how realistic that is. You could ask the behaviorist about that if you haven't already. My dog broke out of a crate before I got him and used to get frantic in crates. Now beijes his and goes in there voluntarily for a break but I never lock him in except briefly when I'm there and maintenance men come in to work on the place since they're afraid of him. Put tasty treats and his favorite toys so he at least has to go in to get them out. Feeding him special treats in there could help too.
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