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Old 10-20-2017, 10:37 AM
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Forbes vs The Dryer

Guys. I also have an issue with Forbes. He's terrified of the last minute of the dryer's cycle. I don't know if the dryer makes a noise at the last minute of the cycle that only he can hear but it's clockwork he will jump up barking and whining and if we are in the living room he will go and put himself in the guest bathroom tub (the farthest place in the house from the laundry room). And there is like no consoling him. I've tried CC'ing him by bringing him into the laundry room and rewarding him for any calm behavior or looking but not reacting at the dryer and he does fine. The problem is that it happens randomly (drying cycles are all different depending on the wetness of the clothing and the sensors) and it's short lived. The other problem (and the biggest problem) is that it's at all hours of the day. Unfortunately the dryer is right next to our bedroom so if we are running the dryer at night (which sometimes is necessary) he will wake us up at midnight loosing his mind. He did it last night and I have to admit, I am human, and I lost my mind.

Now a few things to preface this. It is not the entire drying cycle. Literally only the last minute. I do not hear anything differently about the last minute and neither does my husband or Roxie, my lab. Forbes also is a quirky dog. He's very smart and he does not like things he can not understand.

Any ideas or suggestions? I am at a loss.
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Does the dryer buzz or ding or anything at the very end - like to signal that it's done?

Is the dryer new?

Has this always gone on?
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It does sing a little song at the end (silly Samsung Dryer) but so does the washer and that doesn't bother him. And he looses his mind before the song starts.

We bought the dryer when we moved into the house, so a year and a half.

I don't remember him doing it when we first moved it, but it's gone on for at least the last few months. It seems to be getting worse though. He use to just jump up barking and we just assumed he heard it knocking or something but now he jumps up barking, crying, tries to stand on top of either us or Roxie and the running to the tub thing is really new. Like within the last month new.
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Poor Forbes! And poor you!

I wish I had some great advice for you!
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It's seriously the weirdest problem. I have to try to get a video of it. He stand in the shower and stares at us sitting on the couch almost like wondering why we are not reporting to his safe space. It's hilarious and sad all at the same time.
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I know the tune you mean - we have the same make. If your Samsung dryer is similar to our Samsung washer, it may show how long the cycle now has to run and if so, that may help for timing, if not, Oh well do the best you can.

Two possibilities I can see.

First is contact an electrical shop or Samsung by phone or email and ask if it's possible to turn the tunes off or adjust the volume. I don't hold out a lot of hope, they're probably a "feature".

Second, the CC that you tried is unlikely to have an effect as you were concentrating on the dryer, which is not the problem. The problem, as you rightly point out, is the last minute.

Try this for CC. Run the dryer and record (on your phone or whatever) the last TWO minutes.

Bear in mind that Forbes's hearing is much, much sharper than ours and adjust the following accordingly.

Play back at the lowest volume setting. If the reaction's the same, try playback behind a closed door, try playback at the other end of the house, etc., maybe attach headphones to your playback device.

I would use a clicker for this because if you get your timing right, you can probably get a response to the clicker before you get "run like stink!".

You'll probably need your husband to help, he has the device used for playback. so that anytime he hears a click, he can stop the playback.

What you're looking for here is for Forbes to be aware of the sound, even a tiny, slight twitch in the general direction of the sound. He gets clicked, he gets rewarded, just for a little bit of the whole tune.

In general, go for more of the tune until you can play the whole thing BEFORE you consider raising the volume.

Probably a good idea to keep a log.
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Yep! Same washer and dryer although sometimes it says 1 minute but it will keep going until the sensor is satisfied.

There is a way to silence the tunes but I have 2 problems with that. 1) I am not certain it's the songs. It he starts freaking out before the songs happen. I don't feel like he is freaking out because of the apprehension of the song because the washer plays the same song and it doesn't bother him at all. 2) I am bad at forgetting the laundry, the songs make me get off my butt or make a conscious effort to remember that I have to (reluctantly) go fold clothing (WHY does it not fold itself!).

The recording it on my phone is a great idea. Maybe I will give that a try and see if I get he same reaction out of him. I'm also going to try getting up and CC'ing him every time the dryer goes off.

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Should I be clicking for any look or acknowledgement of the dryer even if he is still showing a heightened stress level (darting eyes, lip licking, etc).
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We too have the singing washer and dryer. I can't say that Samantha ever notices either running at any time during its cycle, but its certainly possible there could be a very high frequency noise, perhaps the valve closing the gas supply off. I do recall seeing somewhere in the manual, that its possible to turn the song off, don't recall how, but its in the manual that came with it.
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Should I be clicking for any look or acknowledgement of the dryer even if he is still showing a heightened stress level (darting eyes, lip licking, etc).
Yes, but if his stress levels seem too high, you might want to adjust the sound of the tape (lower the volume, move far away, etc.).

I like the idea of recording the dryer. I'd probably start by playing the recorded tape for him to see if he has the same response. If he does, then I'd just play the tape and feed him treats throughout the duration, working to increase the volume and eventually trading it for the real thing. You can click if you want to, but for something that is purely a sound you'll have to pay close attention to when he first notices whatever sound is upsetting him (which can be hard to do - clicking for visual stimuli is easier).

If the tape doesn't work, annoying though it may be, I'd set an alarm on your phone so you know when the last two minutes of the cycle will hit. Then just CC him to the real noise - start farther away and try to move closer. After awhile maybe you can start rewarding when you see him notice the offensive sound, as opposed to when you know whatever sound it is is coming, if that makes sense.

You may have to sacrifice laundry times for awhile, but hopefully not for long.

It's amazing what dogs can be afraid of, isn't it?
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I have no idea about laundry, the laundry fairy does that in our house (my wife may disagree!).

"I'm also going to try getting up and CC'ing him every time the dryer goes off."

If you are looking at counter conditioning, I wouldn't do that, he's probably in the bath at that stage.

Tiny, tiny steps.

Let's assume for the sake of argument that the tune itself is what's causing the problem, then I would look at a process of desensitization along with counter conditioning.

It may be the tune, it may be something we can't hear that comes before the tune. With a recording that covers the tune AND the period of, we assume, silence before the tune, you can start to eliminate second by second, parts of the recording.

Remember that we are using playback and therefore it's not in the same place as the dryer. With a bit of luck, it's not in the same direction as the dryer. It's not where he's used to it!

Be extra careful setting up, you don't want a "set up" to make him uncertain. I would firstly try teaching something else and using a clicker. Five out of five "press ups" ("sit" followed by "down" followed by "sit" followed by "down", etc.). You shouldn't have heightened stress levels doing that.

Then you go for five pressups facing a different direction or in a different part of the room. Start the playback after the second pressup (if stress levels alter as a result of the change in direction, it should show on the first/second). Then, answering your question, you're looking for an acknowledgement of the SOUND, it may be simply turning his head marginally, there may be stress changes in addition, there may be none. At this stage, you are checking your volume level. Can he cope with that volume level, i.e., you are determining his threshold. Once that's determined, depending on his reaction, you should be able to try another few seconds.

Now it becomes harder, you should be clicking every second (if you can) all the time the playback is going.

When you see stress signs, STOP THE PLAYBACK. You now have an idea of how much he can bear without becoming uncomfortable, so...

If playback was 17 seconds, then the next time, start at a 15 second playback, go for 5 out of 5. Go for 16 seconds, 5 out of 5 and so on. The object is to have him focussed on you for the entire tune.

SOMETHING about it is frightening him. Our opinion doesn't matter. By playing it back in this way, if he's getting bothered, stop the playback, go back to pressups. You will find it very difficult to desensitize him if he becomes stressed part way through. His stress levels indicate his threshold, pay very close attention to it.

Sorry to be so long-winded, it's a lot easier talking about it than typing it!
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