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Old 01-19-2018, 09:49 PM
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Dominance With Other Dogs

Hi everyone! I just joined this forum because Iím having a problem with my 2 year old Springer Spaniel mix. Heís been really good about other dogs and playing with them. He has a lot of energy so heís pretty rough.

Whenever we go to the dog park heís super excited and never willing to listen to me unless I sound angry. He wonít come to his name, or sit, or do ďfind meĒ which means heís supposed to bolt to me immediately and it usually works, but not there.

Heís just so excited. As soon as heís off leash he bolts out to meet the other dogs. At that point heís super super far away from me but still in view. It used to be about 10 minutes, but now itís only like 4 before heís chasing and jumping a dog.

The only thing is itís not like really bad humping. Heíll like tackle the dog to the ground and stand over them and then you hear some growling and a little fight breaks out. At that point the owners yell at me and say I shouldnít bring him to the dog park and I feel terrible.

Iíve looked up how to handle this, but the options they give are hard for me to do because he always does it only at the dog park and when heís far away so I canít really stop him when itís happening. Itís usually the other owner ripping him off while I run to put him on a leash.

Iím so frustrated. I want to let him play with other dogs because he LOVES to play and it would break my heart if I couldnít socialize him anymore, but I canít stop him from dominating other dogs and causing a fight!!

Please if you have any idea what I can do to help his problem Id love to hear it ):

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Old 01-20-2018, 11:02 AM
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Red face My Rx?... No more dog-park till he learns some dog social-skills!

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Ouch.
U aren't "socializing" him, nor are U letting HIM socialize. // U're letting a rude dog, with no social-skills, off-leash in an environment where he inevitably causes tension & bad feelings - with the other dogs, & the other owners.


socializing a puppy has a very specific meaning -
it's the deliberate exposure of that pup under CONTROLLED circumstances to other living beings, with whom U want that dog to get along in some way, for their lifetime.
U might want the pup to tolerate them, ignore them, or befriend them; U might want the pup to relax & accept handling from them [the vet, the groomer, dog walker, vet-tech...].
U might want the pup to treat them as family members [the household cat; the house-rabbit; the pet parrot]. / Even more specifically, every socializing experience is supposed to be a HAPPY one for the pup, creating many pleasant memories.

Ur dog is 2-YO; he's no pup, & he's well-past the socializing window - anything past 6-MO is considered B-Mod.
Taking the leash off & standing by to watch him be incredibly rude isn't "sociable" at all, in any sense of friendly interaction.

U need a local trainer to help U; someone with both experience & credentials, who uses humane, science-based, rewarding techniques - not someone who's riding The Dog Whisperer's coat-tails.
If they so much as mention 'packs' other than as a cute term for the family, i'd RUN not walk in the other direction. If U give us some nearby city or town, someone on the Forum may be able to refer to a specific trainer nearby.


Plus, U will need some extremely-tolerant dogs to work WITH Ur dog, & teach him some manners.
Humans intervening to get him away from a dog he's molesting, or interrupting in an attempt to "teach him" by removing him from the chance to play, doesn't work anywhere near as well as direct, pointed, immediate feedback FROM ANOTHER DOG.

That dog will have to be extremely forgiving, patient, & sociable - b/c if they're not, his behavior will spark another tiff, & deservedly so; he's an ignorant jerk, which isn't his fault, but it's completely unacceptable to inflict him on other dogs in any other context than as behavior modification for his own outrageous behavior.

Where do U live? - U-S, or elsewhere? // there are many good, reputable trainers, & we can surely dig up a few referrals, for kind handling & effective training.

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Old 01-20-2018, 11:45 AM
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I do live in the U.S. Madison, Wisconsin and would love some help finding trainers to help his bad manners. Heís very well trained trick-wise and heís always learning new tricks, so I would consider him patient and willing to learn. The only issue is he stops listening when thereís another dog around
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Putting my dog in doggy daycare helped a lot with teaching him manners with other dogs. They were good at matching dogs together that got along well so he learned a lot about dog etiquette.
I got my dog at sixteen months old and he'd never been properly socialized to other dogs or people. He LOVED other dogs and wanted to meet them and play with them and used to ignore me and run wild at the dog park too. Back then his idea of meeting other dogs was running full speed at them and just crashing into them and jumping on them to start wrestling. No sniffing or meeting first just full speed tackle and then sometimes he'd start humping too to add insult to injury. I couldn't even catch him for an hour every day once in the dog park and that's with a leash left on.
He was a teenage thug. If there was any kind of fight or scuffle anywhere he'd race full tilt and jump in.
He got attacked a few times then learned how to properly sniff and meet respectfully first. He rarely humos anymore unless he's been cooped up for way too long.
He's gentle with little dogs and puppies and won't ever fight a female. Males he'll occasionally get into a barking squabble with but I've trained him to walk away from a fight and run to me for a treat. Now he's cautious playing with new dogs and checks in with me a lot and comes back when I call him.
Very respectful, well mannered, calm and now well socialized with dogs and people. You can socialize dogs at any age not just when they're puppies. I didn't use any trainers. Doggy daycare helped. I was firm but consistent. Any fighting I immediately caught him and put his leash on took him to bench had him sit or lie down and praised him for listening. Didn't let him loose again until he's able to relax and listen. Some would call it a timeout but I call it letting his adrenaline calm so he can learn and relax.
Don't let him off leash at park, outside park or anywhere until he's coming back to you when you call him every time at least five or ten times. Lots of treats for getting it right.
If you drive to park don't let him out of car until he can sit calmly in the car and wait for you to open door and pick up leash and say ok. This could take an hour but it's essential to teach manners and respect. He can't torpedo out of the car. My dog jumped out of car into traffic in early days and ran off in busy city to go meet two random dogs he saw. No way. Now he sits quietly and will walk quietly loose or on a leash up to the gate and sit again while I take off blanket and harness and open gate and say ok. If he doesn't we go back to car and start over again. One more and we leave and drive around the block.
He can't drag you to the dog park either. If he does stop say heel and either turn and go opposite way away or just stop and have him sit quietly. He has to learn that being rude results in no play and that you control access to fun and play and that being polite gets lots of praise, oats and treats.
It took lots of baby steps, frustration, gray hair, consistency and many pounds of bacon and sausage treats, but my wild little hooligan is now a very well mannered and socialized dog. Perfect? No but he's come a very long way.
And we've met with a behaviorist three times but two of those meetings were primarily for separation anxiety. We did complete a basic obedience class but that just taught some tricks and leash walking.
And I never stopped going to the dog park. He loved it and needed the exercise and I needed to bond with him. Some days we spent a lot of time on the leash training but I always let him have some fun free time too.
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I do live in the U.S. -
Madison, Wisconsin, and would love some help finding trainers to help his bad manners.

Heís very well trained trick-wise and heís always learning new tricks, so I would consider him patient and willing to learn.
The only issue is he stops listening when thereís another dog around
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some leads for U:

The Pet Professional Guild - Dog Trainers & Behavior Consultants
https://www.petprofessionalguild.com...Professionals/
The Teacher's Pet Dog Training LLC. MILWAUKEE, WI United States.
Teacher's Pet Training Academy. Madison, WI United States.



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Certified professional dog trainers... in Beloit, Janesville, Evansville, Edgerton, Whitewater, Milton, Fort Atkinson, Stoughton, and Madison, Wisconsin.

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IOW, no chokes, prongs, water-balloons, air-horns, "bitey hands", poking, pushing, pin-the-dog or roll-the-dog, FLOODING, intimidation, looming-over, etc.

If U need more options, holler - I didn't even look for IAABC consultants. But PPG is a safe start!

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How often did you go to the dog park to work with him or take him to doggy daycare? Weíve been thinking about taking him to daycare for a little bit now.
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Thank you! Iíll see about contacting a trainer
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I take my dog every day for at least one to two hours unless it's too cold and he won't stay or it's so cold it's dangerous to be out that long. The longer he's there the more common and normal other dogs are and less exciting and new.
Now he's picky and will only play with his best buddies. We were there two and a half hours today and he only played with one other dog that whole time.

Doggy daycare I did at least two or three times a week when I was working full time and could afford it. He needed the consistency and to get to know the regular dogs to make buddies and to learn to trust the staff.
I'd take him every other day when working.
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