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Old 07-04-2011, 09:25 PM
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Old 07-04-2011, 09:34 PM
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Well, I stand by what I said previous and Thanks Tess...that is true. People don't READ though. In post 1) I stated that the prong/choke collar was an OPTION. And that this method is one that I WOULDN'T use for fear of hurting the dogs Treachea. However, it is a TOOL and used PROPERLY can get the desired result.

As far as training IS concerned...There are hundreds of ways to TRAIN a dog. To call one way Dated is shallow minded in my personal opinion. I've probably had 100 dogs over my lifetime and if you are telling me that every single dog is trained the exact same way every time you'd be lying. I've had dogs that you tell them just a handful of times what you want them to do (house breaking/ground manners) and they have it for life...and then I've had others that were....well a lot harder! To truly be a good trainer you must be able to analyze the situation and then put to action a plan to train the dog what you are seeking to accomplish. And no matter what sort of training method you are using you will have TOOLS. Tools can be anything from leash to collar to clicker to treats. All of these are tools and all have to be used PROPERLY. And yes in most cases I would HIGHLY recommend contacting a professional. If a professional trainer is NOT available, sometimes your vet can give you helpful tips and tricks...

I Judge 2-3 events a year (if not more). Every fair that I judge the top 2 requirements on that list are Rabies vaccine and choke collar with a leather lead. I don't make the rules just follow them. So Obviously SOMEONE out there thinks this IS the way, at least in a large setting, to handle a dog. I personally do not use choke or prongs on a dog unless, (As PREVIOUSLY STATED) It is a LAST RESORT. Even the Illinois State Fair show requires a choke collar. I'm NOT saying it's right, I'm saying that's the way it is done.
Further more, I'm NOT discrediting you or your views...and I find it more than a bit rude to think that someone would discredit mine. Especially being as you didn't read the post...obviously.
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Perhaps another thing we have going on here is a difference in perspective.

On the one hand we have mid-western gun dog training / 4-H shows and so forth.

On the other hand we have more of a perspective of dogs as pets, living in cities and suburbs.

I'm not saying gun dogs are not also pets, but I do think historically, the way folks think of hunting dogs is very different. For example, often hunting dogs live outside in a kennel. That rarely happens for pet dogs in the cities/suburbs.

Another difference in perspective is that hunting dogs are often owned by people who also have livestock such as horses and cattle. I think that can lead to a different approach with dogs, compared with your average suburban dog owner.

I'm not trying to insult anyone. All I'm saying is there are two perspectives going on here.
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I have sat back and read everything, and IMO you don't want to learn something other than what you have been told to know.

There are no ranks in households when it comes to dogs, just dogs pushed over threshold and lashing out, or dogs with bad habits/behaviors which need some working on. In your example of your female 'putting the other dog on its back' during a hunt, your dog is resource guarding the hunted, or is so over threshold she will attack anything in her way.

I suggest learning some up to date ideas and methods before suggesting things to people. You did suggest it, and you did suggest the dog is dominating, and when provided links to show otherwise you got uber defensive instead of stepping back and reading it. I understand why you would become defensive, as I was in your shoes when I started here. I used corrections and believed in dominance/pack issues in every setting, then I really read what I was provided and learned a lot.
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I understand why you would become defensive, as I was in your shoes when I started here. I used corrections and believed in dominance/pack issues in every setting, then I really read what I was provided and learned a lot.
Wonderful comment.
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Nuff said I'll shut up. Just thought I could give my OPINION. After all, last I checked I did live in America. Good luck with your Aggression issue Hope it works out for you.

Sorry this Thread got so off topic for you. (Amazing how that happens).

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Tess, Hit you back. Thanks!
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Thanks Tess

I really want to make it clear that nobody is here to put anyone down, they are here to help people learn some calm and helpful new ideas that are overshadowed by the old ideas. It is easy to take it personally, again I know, I have been there. Its tough to learn something and feel empowered by knowledge just to have those ideas be outdated and new ones come about.
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Good luck with your Dominance issue Hope it works out for you.
I just want to respond to this as well, OP please read the resource guarding sticky as well as the dominance one provided earlier in the discussion
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