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Old 06-17-2009, 10:49 AM
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I agree the majority do not...but thats not all of them, thats all I meant by my comment. I know not all vets are experts on animal behavior. Luckily the vets we have chosen for our pets are knowledgable in areas of animal behavior and if they are not familiar with a particular subject they are willing to admit it rather than give us bad advice. I was also referring to what Mimi had said "Vets know nothing about dog behaviour... that crating is a good thing, that they love it because dog’s instinct is to liken it to a den, etc..."

maybe she was quoting you, but thats what I responded to in regards to ALL vets...
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I agree the majority do not...but thats not all of them, thats all I meant by my comment. I know not all vets are experts on animal behavior. Luckily the vets we have chosen for our pets are knowledgable in areas of animal behavior and if they are not familiar with a particular subject they are willing to admit it rather than give us bad advice. I was also referring to what Mimi had said "Vets know nothing about dog behaviour... that crating is a good thing, that they love it because dog’s instinct is to liken it to a den, etc..."

maybe she was quoting you, but thats what I responded to in regards to ALL vets...
Gotcha...sorry misread you. I kept thinking...when did I say that??

Glad your vets are honest with you

In my experience with vets many will not admit when they don't know som'thing...I breed exotics and deal with customers with exotics that have used dog and cat vets instead of specialists...you should hear som' of the advice they give....yeeesh..it would made your hair curl!



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Oh I worked for a vets office that royally sucks and will not ever use them....ONE vet (which I used) who retired!!!! was honest and wonderful....one out of an 8 dr practice. Sorry I should have quoted what I was reacting to LOL We were referred to a specialist by our dog/cat vet who does see exotics but always referrs out to our specialist because he just does vaccs and fecals etc, doesnt know EVERYTHING about ferrets and the diseases and willingly admits it. we are very very lucky!
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This thread just cracks me up!

Like thousands of other dogs, mine love their crates. I leave the crate doors open, and they go in willingly, on their own. Often I'll find two dogs in one crate One of my crates is next to my bed, and I have to keep the door to it closed (but not latched) so you can walk by it. The dog who's crate it is, Roxi, goes to her crate, uses her nose to open the door, and goes in for naps. Yeah, that's cruelty I guess *rolls eyes*
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Petfinder.com the largest pet adoption site in the USA promotes crate training. Article is written by a apdt certified trainer.
The Benefits of Crate Training: Dog Training and Behavior: Training


The APDT promotes the use of crates.
Association of Pet Dog Trainers - Dog Training Resources

The jack russel club of america agrees. In fact almost every breed club I can find has a page refering to crating.
Jack Russell Terrier: Advice: The Marvelous Crate

The AKC... the largest registry in the USA sites it as a mark of a responsible pet owner.
Be a Responsible Dog Owner

Dr.Ian Dunbar.. famous trainer and behaviorist agrees.
Ian Dunbar


as well as hundreds upon thousands of vets, behaviorists, trainers, breeders, etc etc
I could go on and on please read these articles.

Just because you feel its cruel doesn't make it so. The hang up is with you, not the dogs. If they like it, they like it...it can't be cruel if They LIKE IT.



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Tim. My dogs are never left alone for 10 hours a day. I don’t see the point of owning a dog and then leaving it to its own devices all day long, come home, feed it and then back in isolation again. Your dog would have been, perhaps, happier in a shelter pending adoption. At least, he would have had his walk twice a day, his food, human interaction, toys and cuddles, other dogs to be with, etc.. Having a dog needs planning. Pretty much like having a baby. You need to consider a breed that suits the family, the time and space available for it and whether you have the finances to provide for its needs (Vet bills, grooming, food, vaccinations, boarding, emergencies, etc.). Where will it sleep? Will it be a large dog or a small dog? How much exercise will it need - what can you handle? Getting a dog is not as simple as going out and buying a sandwich.

Cri. Talk about dropping a Nuclear Bomb to kill an ant!!! Is it all about control, exerting your power, discipline, obedience, submissiveness, isolation, punishment? Where does the word “humane” come into it all? Are your dogs really better off than being at the Shelter? By the way, you taught you dogs to love their crate much as you can teach any dog to love eating crap if this is all you give them.

Pawzaddict. I was quoting Cri about her saying that Vets knew nothing about dog behaviour.
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CheyAut. We have what we call "beds" for dogs. Here is Mimi in hers. It is also next to my bed.

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Tim. My dogs are never left alone for 10 hours a day. I don’t see the point of owning a dog and then leaving it to its own devices all day long, come home, feed it and then back in isolation again. Your dog would have been, perhaps, happier in a shelter pending adoption. At least, he would have had his walk twice a day, his food, human interaction, toys and cuddles, other dogs to be with, etc.. Having a dog needs planning. Pretty much like having a baby. You need to consider a breed that suits the family, the time and space available for it and whether you have the finances to provide for its needs (Vet bills, grooming, food, vaccinations, boarding, emergencies, etc.). Where will it sleep? Will it be a large dog or a small dog? How much exercise will it need - what can you handle? Getting a dog is not as simple as going out and buying a sandwich.

Cri. Talk about dropping a Nuclear Bomb to kill an ant!!! Is it all about control, exerting your power, discipline, obedience, submissiveness, isolation, punishment? Where does the word “humane” come into it all? Are your dogs really better off than being at the Shelter? By the way, you taught you dogs to love their crate much as you can teach any dog to love eating crap if this is all you give them.

Pawzaddict. I was quoting Cri about her saying that Vets knew nothing about dog behaviour.
im sorry but many people put their children in daycare...so they arent home with the baby for 6-8 hours out of the day....
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I think that we'll have to simply agree to disagree here as somebody suggested many posts back now. Crating has obviously worked out well for some owners and their dogs (I know many personally), and others would never even consider it. A whole myriad of factors are involved with the decision to crate - schedules, the suitability of the environment, the temperament of the dog, and evidently the accepted/regular practices in the owner's culture.

We obviously are not going to settle the matter definitively here, so rather than let the debate rage on and sour the atmosphere of our young community, I am going to close this thread.

Thank you, everyone, for your informative contributions.
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