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Old 06-15-2009, 12:41 PM
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I swear, mine is awake and jumping 16 hours a day, lol, gonna be hard keeping her calm for 4 month after her hip replacement operation.
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Old 06-15-2009, 03:47 PM
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woah! I crate all 4 of my dogs when I am at work and my boyfriend is at work...some day that equals to 9 hours total (the drive to and from as well as the shift) they are happy dogs and STILL sleep sometimes when we are home..they play when they want to play and rest when they want..they are all healthy and very happy. Crating for 8-10 hours is not wrong...
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Cri, you're smart and knowledgeable about dogs. I often listen to and respect what you have to say as I think almost all of the time it makes sense. This time, allow me to disagree. Believe what you want about restricting dogs for 8-10 hours in a cage. If this will clear your conscience and make you feel better, so be it.
For me, who has had dogs all of my life, I cannot accept it as being normal. I cannot believe that people put their dogs in basements all day long either. What is this, 16th Century France?

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Cri, you're smart and knowledgeable about dogs. I often listen to and respect what you have to say as I think almost all of the time it makes sense. This time, allow me to disagree. Believe what you want about restricting dogs for 8-10 hours in a cage. If this will clear your conscience and make you feel better, so be it.
For me, who has had dogs all of my life, I cannot accept it as being normal. I cannot believe that people put their dogs in basements all day long either. What is this, 16th Century France?
Its that, or my dogs are euthanized. Now who doesn't make sence?

Confining a dog to a house or a yard is not NORMAL either. Perhaps we should all let our dogs run free...

besides there is a HUGE difference between, normal, ideal and CRUEL.



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Perhaps you would like to walk us all through den instincts in dogs and explain why they don't apply to a crate? Would you let a human baby run around the house unsupervised so it can injure itself? One of my friends dogs DIED because he refused to crate him while he was a at work.

Terriers also have mandatory separation when unsupervised. Pit bulls and JRT are notorious for killing each other when the owner is absent. Ask ANY knowledgeable breeder... I own terriers, I would never put them in that position.

Tippy will eat walls unless she is sedated or IN A CRATE. Crate training is the only thing that has helped her anxiety...because its her den and safe.

Iam honestly completely insulted.



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Perhaps you would like to walk us all through den instincts in dogs and explain why they don't apply to a crate? Would you let a human baby run around the house unsupervised so it can injure itself? One of my friends dogs DIED because he refused to crate him while he was a at work.

Terriers also have mandatory separation when unsupervised. Pit bulls and JRT are notorious for killing each other when the owner is absent. Ask ANY knowledgeable breeder... I own terriers, I would never put them in that position.

Tippy will eat walls unless she is sedated or IN A CRATE. Crate training is the only thing that has helped her anxiety...because its her den and safe.

Iam honestly completely insulted.
Cri, thanks for coming to my rescue on this matter. I can honestly say that I was alot more than just insulted by Mimi's response. i think I did a good job of holding myself back in the response to that coment. The more I think about it the more I realize that the large majority of dog owners have full time jobs, and also goto sleep at night. So to suggest confining your dog to a certain area while you are away is such a cruel thing is way off base. (in my opinion) I am a new dog owner and enjoying it very much. I love my little Fizgig! Although he's quickly getting to be no so little very fast. I came on this forum to learn and get advise from experienced people. Up untill this comment it has all been very positive. But hey Life moves on. At this point I will continue to allow my dog full access to the basement, and as he gets older he should learn to hold his bladder. Once that time comes then he should be able to wait untill I get home to do his buisness.

Mimi I understand that you think it is cruel to treat a dog this way. I also understand that this is just YOUR opinion. I will continue to do what I do with my dog, and fully beleive that I am doing the right thing and not being cruel to my animal. So at this time lets just let things be the way they are and end this debate agreeing to disagree. I am sure that you probably have good experience and advise on other subjects, and look forward to hearing everyones input.

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Your welcome.

To me Cruel is a very strong word..it insinuates abuse...people who starve and beat their dogs are cruel..not people who confine their dogs for their own safety.

We are all welcome to our opinions, whether they be educated or not. But you can't really expect people to not react when you say som'thing that strong.

Also weres the line? Is 6 hours ok ..but 8 is cruel? Is two days a week ok ...but 4 is too much?

Is it ok to keep birds and fish and reptiles in cages? Not many people will question that but they will call a crate a "cage".

Mine are in crates 6 hours a day 3 days a week and I think if my dogs could talk, they'd pick that over dying at the pound anyday.



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Well, to be honest, I don't know much about crates, never used them, I do know that dogs view them as their dens though, and like being in them, but not all dogs like them, I just keep my dog confined to her room when we're out, and she does fine. But one thing about crates though, my vet told me I shouldn't keep my dog in a crate more than 4-5 hours straight, so I dunno.
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Well, to be honest, I don't know much about crates, never used them, I do know that dogs view them as their dens though, and like being in them, but not all dogs like them, I just keep my dog confined to her room when we're out, and she does fine. But one thing about crates though, my vet told me I shouldn't keep my dog in a crate more than 4-5 hours straight, so I dunno.
yup... and you'll find vets that say 10 hours is fine and then other vets who say not to use them at all. Vets will also tell you science diet is the best food ever and raw diet will kill your dog and everything in between.


Personally, I don't trust vets for behavior or nutrition advice, medical...I'll believe it 99% of the time... but the truth is they are trained very superficially in behavior and nutrition...if at all. Ask a vet without a behaviorist background for training advice and listen to the answer if you ever need a good laugh.



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Actually my vet also has a degree in animal behavior, and used to be a quite successful PR trainer he's the guy I trust the most when it comes to horses and dogs he also gave me quite a few recipes for making my own dog food , he's uber cool

But anyhow, I don't think I can crate a dog for 10 hours a day, AND the night as well, seems a bit too long, but that's maybe cause I never used them.
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