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Old 07-15-2009, 02:05 PM
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Dog training methods

I know there are a lot of different dog training techniques out there I was wondering what some of the most common and useful ones were. I know of ones like clicker training, positive reinforcement, military style, which is the way my German shepherd and my beagle were trained. And of course the ‘natural’ way or using dog psychology which works wonders, any one have anything else? And yes I know it depends on what you are trying to teach a dog to do, but which style really works the best?What do you use on your dog(s)?
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Best is in the eye of the beholder... there really isn't a best way...it depends.

Some people want robots...dogs that will preform perfect 100% of the time in high presure situations...

Some people want a strong bond with their dog and don't mind if the dog thinks for itself.

Esentially there is positive training (clickers etc) and traditional (choke chain types) and everything inbetween...

There are "balanced" trainers that both reward and correct dogs..


Iam technically a balanced trainer....that said I use like 95% positive reinforcement and use corrections when I feel they are needed (ussually when the animals safety, or another animals safety is an issue). I also am very very very careful that corrections are not associated with me. This is very important if you have soft dogs, or the dog is "misbehaving" when your not present.

I want my dogs to think for themselves and not be afraid of me...that said I also insist that they do what I ask of them...with PR the distinction is that a PR dog will do what you want because HE WANTS TOO...and a corrected dog will do it because he HAS TO, or is afraid.


I do feel that most if not all behaviors can be fixed with PR (in a healthy dog) but they may take longer to fix (not always, som'times corrections just flat out don't work)and that corrections take experience to do correctly. Hence why I don't promote them when I can't see the dog in person.



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Best is in the eye of the beholder... there really isn't a best way...it depends.

Some people want robots...dogs that will preform perfect 100% of the time in high presure situations...

Some people want a strong bond with their dog and don't mind if the dog thinks for itself.

Esentially there is positive training (clickers etc) and traditional (choke chain types) and everything inbetween...

There are "balanced" trainers that both reward and correct dogs..


Iam technically a balanced trainer....that said I use like 95% positive reinforcement and use corrections when I feel they are needed (ussually when the animals safety, or another animals safety is an issue). I also am very very very careful that corrections are not associated with me. This is very important if you have soft dogs, or the dog is "misbehaving" when your not present.

I want my dogs to think for themselves and not be afraid of me...that said I also insist that they do what I ask of them...with PR the distinction is that a PR dog will do what you want because HE WANTS TOO...and a corrected dog will do it because he HAS TO, or is afraid.


I do feel that most if not all behaviors can be fixed with PR (in a healthy dog) but they may take longer to fix (not always, som'times corrections just flat out don't work)and that corrections take experience to do correctly. Hence why I don't promote them when I can't see the dog in person.
i agree with all of this,but because of the human factor, i say positive training is the best...
you can look up all sorts of info on different training methods, but the things you should consider is if the method keeps you and the animal safe, if you can use it consistently and if it achieves the desired results.
the right correction is sometimes the right answer when you are training, but so often, i come across people who have no idea what this is or means and instead of correcting an unwanted behavior they create a fear based relationship with their poor bewildered dog and they still don't get the results they want. it makes me sad to see it. many people also have little idea of how inconsistent they are and they make a lot of assumptions about what their dogs do and do not understand. dogs are smart and they seem so much smarter because they are naturally trying to fit into the pack, but they aren't people and they know it. leadership and dominance aren't the same thing and there are a lot of people who try to dominate and punish their dogs in order to establish leadership. i've never met a "bad-dog" but i sure have met a lot of ignorant people!



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I agree with you fawkese, When working with all four of my dogs I am never harsh with them but they understand that I am the leader.
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i come across people who have no idea what this is or means and instead of correcting an unwanted behavior they create a fear based relationship with their poor bewildered dog and they still don't get the results they want.

There is a saying for that..."give a guy a hammer, and all the world is a nail"

Thats why I always push people who want a correction based fix...to a professional who can teach them how to do it right



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There is a saying for that..."give a guy a hammer, and all the world is a nail"

Thats why I always push people who want a correction based fix...to a professional who can teach them how to do it right
good, you give good advice btw it is refreshing to be able to run things past someone who really knows what they are talking about...thanks



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good, you give good advice btw it is refreshing to be able to run things past someone who really knows what they are talking about...thanks

Thank you!

I am actually a PR convert...I used to use traditional methods.. so im well versed in them...I've seen the backlash of people trying to use corrections and use them inapropriately, very sad.

positive reinforcement (especially marker/clicker training) is so much more effective for most things...that and it almost impossible to hurt your dog doing it...if your not careful your dog will get fat but thats it!



Heck I train cats....if thats not a point for PR I don't know what is....try using corrections to train a cat to sit....lol



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Thank you!

I am actually a PR convert...I used to use traditional methods.. so im well versed in them...I've seen the backlash of people trying to use corrections and use them inapropriately, very sad.

positive reinforcement (especially marker/clicker training) is so much more effective for most things...that and it almost impossible to hurt your dog doing it...if your not careful your dog will get fat but thats it!



Heck I train cats....if thats not a point for PR I don't know what is....try using corrections to train a cat to sit....lol
i have trained cats, i have 3! before i got the dog, i had them all sitting in a row waiting for treats and i was working on "high 5" now that i have a dog though, i have had little time for them, but the dog is getting more settled in and i hope to have all 4 of them sitting together for treats, helps them all to get a long. i had a house rabbit who learned some tricks too! i have also trained other animals, used to work in a zoo. for some reason with dogs though, i was having a hard time training myself to us PR instead of correction techniques...old habits or something like that. i have been reading up on training dogs with PR and clicker training and this site is so helpfull with feedback and stuff (thank you again!).
i do still use corrections, but the rule is that they have to be appropriate, catch the dog at the right time, it needs to be a situation where i can immediately show him the correct behavior, and if it doesn't work then i don't do it again (usually because i realize that i have now made a mistake, luckily for me my dog is very forgiving of these). anyway the "b" word (bad dog) is more than enough for my dog to know that he has done something really really wrong and i have only had to use it a very few times since i have had him. mostly it's just an "uh-uh" here and there... works wonders



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I use primarily positive reinforcement but also other techniques as needed on occasion.
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I think most of these so called training methods are rip offs. The question they need to answer is how do you get your dog to listen when off leash in a completly unconfined area. Especially for dogs that love to roam. I've looked through a lot of sites but none came close to answering.
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