Originally Posted by Shadowmom
I politely disagree that the op needs to give more details than they are comfortable with. My dog respects me and listens to me and no one else.
Being put in his place doesn't convey abuse to me so jumping all over the op seems a little excessive, especially when they clearly stated they in no way harmed their dog. Lol it's a positive forum so why be aggressive with someone asking for feedback?
Setting clear firm limits with dogs that need it is a good thing so they learn to respect people and dogs and others. Nothing abusive or punitive about it.
Oh goodness, this is why sometimes writing online to offer help can be difficult at times. In no way was I trying to be aggressive or negative or hurtful to the OP. Not at all, never, ever my intention. Gosh and to think I spent a lot of time rewriting this post so as to not
come across offensive or harsh. I guess it depends on perspective. If anyone took this post this way, I apologize bc it was only meant to help.
Anyway, that being said, I wasn't demanding more info than the OP is wanting to give, or wanting to pry, but I do really think that in this case, we do need more details if we want to really him him/her with his dog. Many times I find people on this forum just write a brief synopsis of the problem in the first post because they feel they may be writing too long a post. I just read someone saying this the other day here, and I actually thanked her for giving us details and writing more so we really understand her problem and thus could help her and her dog.
I feel the solutions differ
depending on what the cause
of the aggressive behavior is. Like, if it is normal puppy nipping and play/attention seeking vs actual aggression. The solutions or training would differ if it was normal puppy behavior rather than fear aggression or RG or any other type of aggression.
For me, I always want to get to the root
of the problem if possible. So that is why I like to ask lots of questions when talking to owners of dogs with any kind of issues. Especially if it is unclear to me what the owner is describing --and we cannot see the dog's behavior in person, since we are only online.
Any heck ya, I totally agree with you, Shadowmom about setting limits with dogs! We have lots of rules and patterns and routines and a huge emphasis on teaching manners at my house with my dogs.
When my Puma pup resists and tries something that she knows is not quite acceptable (minor offenses only) and then whines a bit about it when we tell her to go lay down, we tell her to "Get a lawyer!"
I don't know if the OP is a male or female, but I am going to use the male pronouns here to make it easier to write if that is ok.
So...I wasn't suggesting the OP was abusive to his dog, I am sure he is not. But when he mentioned using force I wondered if he was possibly pinning the dog down
in some way. Like certain famous TV trainers have recommended in the past. Hence my concern. Even if this is not physically harming the dog it can be emotionally damaging and end up backfiring.
If the OP is not pinning the dog down, then I am not sure what type of gentle force he was using with his dog. Again that is why I was trying to ask questions to clarify.
For anyone who actually uses the pinning down method as corrections...
Reminds me of this unhappy story...
My friend had a dog and they made it a regular practice of "correcting" by pinning the dog down for certain behaviors. Well, one unfortunate day the roommate came home and the dog instantly peed in the hallway as the guy entered-(probably bc it learned to fear him)
The guy then yelled at the big dog for peeing in the hallway and then pinned the dog down as per usual. Well, guess what happened?? Yup, the dog had enough of this crazy treatment and bit the guy in the face! He couldn't go to the doctor bc they knew that he would have to report the dog and then the dog would tend up having a "dangerous dog" record file with our county. Sigh.
I hope this clarifies my intent on this post.
Again, I hope no one was offended and if so, sorry for the confusion--I was only trying to genuinely offer help for the dog and the owners.