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Old 06-28-2018, 07:43 PM
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Hello! I’ve been working on the ‘come’ command with Indie, my 5 month old pit mix but it only works in certain situations - like when we’re inside.

I let her play out in my parents unfenced front yard with their dog and when it’s time for them to come back inside, Indie refuses to come up to the door unless I close it and wait for her to push it open (which happens a few seconds after I close the door.) If I don’t close the door, she’ll sit or lay down and just stare at me.

Do I just need to keep working on the command or am I missing something?
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I think a lot of puppies accidentally learn that the "come" command means the end of the fun. To counter this, I think you should keep working on the command, but call her back to you lots of times and then release her to go play again. At first you may not even want to call her to come when playtime is over at all, just go get her. Don't let her associate coming to you with the fun being over. When she does come, give her a high value treat and lots of love.
Don't give her the command if you don't think she'll obey or if you can't enforce it. She's just a puppy, she'll get it 🙂
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Old 06-29-2018, 09:18 AM
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When the pup makes it to the door act like going inside is still part of the fun- briscodog made a good point- then give a really good treat or some good reward, whatever works for you.
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Randomly call the dog over an reward the dog, then go on as if you hadn't called her over. Inside, outside, even on a leash, say her name, when she makes eye contact, reward and go on as if you hadn't called her. Soon she'll learn that all you want is to reward her with pets, play, praise and/or treats. No big deal for her to take a second out of her fun for that, then on with the fun.
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Back when I used to take my 2 dogs to the dog park they'd always come to me when I was ready to go, 100% success rate. The reason for that was that they knew that we were going for a nice, long, interesting, walk. I walked to the dog park and to get home I walked so for them coming to me was always great.

That's what everyone means about making coming to you very rewarding for your pup. Years have passed since I had those 2 dogs or went to the dog park and I'm once again working on Come with another dog. What I do now is arm myself with high value treats, head out for a walk and randomly call him to me and give him a reward. I make sure he's not too distracted when I call since he's just learning the cue, and so far he's doing very well. The reason for practicing on a walk is that he's learning come means come no matter where we are instead of only in the house, or in my yard, etc.
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Am i the only who find it really cute? Well, i think you need to improve it maybe by giving treats? I just think it could help.
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I think a lot of puppies accidentally learn that the "come" command means the end of the fun.
This!

What is in it for the puppy to come? You want to reward the behavior, not be a negative connection. While it is hard to be more exciting than an new environment, if you make come a "game" you will have better success.

Same goes with habits like leaving a dog park or play time. When we leave the beach after play time, I always spend a few min up in the park doing some training or a bit of play time before heading directly home. Now when I need to leave, he is headed for the exit with one command where other owners are trying to trap and catch their dog. Leaving is not a negative.

Always think from the dog's perspective...."what is in it for me". Until it becomes habit, that is the basis of P+ training.
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I wonder if you have accidentally taught your dog a behavior chain you didn't mean to. Wait that human goes inside - go and bump the door - get reward/avoid being yelled at.

I trained my parents' Lagotto to come inside when I say so. I don't know if she has generalised it to my parents. My father is though unintentionally working against it: would you come if someone called you in a loud unfriendly tone? He thinks he is hurrying the dog up but dogs don't understand blackmail and his voice and body language actually looks like distance-increasing signs instead of approach-encouraging.

But what I actually did:
#1 Not letting her out unleashed unless I was training her
#2 Keeping her on long line while practicing come-when-called
#3 I gave her a treat every single time we stepped onto the porch and after entering the door - even if it was a leashed visit to the mail box. This is counter-conditioning and made the porch and door look inviting.
#4 Reducing the value of being outside by spending a lot of time outside unleashed. This dog is good as long as no one tries to catch her. When her access to this resource was restricted due to her inobedience its value increased. Also, during the time spent outside she could do enough the things she liked
#5 Practicing come when called. On a long line first. I called the dog, rewarded with a treat and let the dog return to her own business. I called the dog, picked her up or tugged her collar and rewarded & released. I also practiced walking with me. Not a formal heel but walking near me to the same direction.
#6 Rewarded. Her. Every. Single. Time. She. Came to me. When called. Forgot it once, we were back at swuare one. She saw it as a punishment. The other side of this rule was to never ever scold the dog for not coming.
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She listens fairly well at the dog park until a new dog comes into the equation while we’re trying to leave. I’ve been using some of the tips you all have mentioned (calling her randomly and then letting her keep playing). Usually, we’ll walk on a rock wall or go farther out towards the water and she’s been awesome with that.

Still working on getting her to the front door. She’s definitely an outdoor dog - LOVES lying in the sun and rolling in the grass.

I cannot thank you all enough for the tips!
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