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Old 05-24-2018, 02:48 AM
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I am honestly sickened by the people who said I should send him back. The money is gone and if I had to pay 15k to get him out of that hell hole, then so be it. I hope to business is shut down.



I have sent him to rescue and they said they would keep me updated. Sadly, they suspect he has Degenerative Myelopathy, as his hind limbs are weak. This is something I didn't notice. He was taken to a vet the same day (had to be sedated, muzzled and have two people with him at all times), and the vet suspects Dilated Cardiomyopathy. They were unable to get anything other than blood, as he was too aggressive. But, the vet said he was short of breath and his paws were swollen. I did notice the panting, but I honestly thought this was from constant stress. He has been diagnosed with Narcolepsy. His foster mom says he will loose control of his muscles, become paralyzed and weak. I 100% noticed this and thought it was him having one of his psychotic episodes. It is also suspected that he might have Von Willebrand's Disease. He is urinating blood, is severely bruised, has been bleeding from his mouth anytime he chews on something and has had several nosebleeds. Again, I noticed none of this. Now, there is blood in my garage that I cleaned up. I thought it was mine from where he bit me. He tore through the muscle in my arm and there was a huge amount of blood. I was told by rescue that they may need to euthanize him, because of quality of life issues. According to the woman who took him from me, he makes puppy mill dogs look like pictures of perfection. *sigh*
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You are the best thing that has come into this dog’s life even if he doesn’t know it.
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I am honestly sickened by the people who said I should send him back. The money is gone and if I had to pay 15k to get him out of that hell hole, then so be it. I hope to business is shut down.



I have sent him to rescue and they said they would keep me updated. Sadly, they suspect he has Degenerative Myelopathy, as his hind limbs are weak. This is something I didn't notice. He was taken to a vet the same day (had to be sedated, muzzled and have two people with him at all times), and the vet suspects Dilated Cardiomyopathy. They were unable to get anything other than blood, as he was too aggressive. But, the vet said he was short of breath and his paws were swollen. I did notice the panting, but I honestly thought this was from constant stress. He has been diagnosed with Narcolepsy. His foster mom says he will loose control of his muscles, become paralyzed and weak. I 100% noticed this and thought it was him having one of his psychotic episodes. It is also suspected that he might have Von Willebrand's Disease. He is urinating blood, is severely bruised, has been bleeding from his mouth anytime he chews on something and has had several nosebleeds. Again, I noticed none of this. Now, there is blood in my garage that I cleaned up. I thought it was mine from where he bit me. He tore through the muscle in my arm and there was a huge amount of blood. I was told by rescue that they may need to euthanize him, because of quality of life issues. According to the woman who took him from me, he makes puppy mill dogs look like pictures of perfection. *sigh*
Wow, and these people breed their own dogs? Sound like **** trainers AND **** breeders. There are genetic tests for von Willebrand's, degenerative myelopothy, and dilated cardiomyopathy- and it's well known that Doberman Pinschers are at risk for these diseases. There is no reason why a dog should be bred with these conditions in this day and age. I'm so sorry all of this has happened to you and him. If you are able to, keep as much documentation as you can in regards to both his behavior and his health in case you someday decide to do something legally.

No matter what happens, it sounds like you and the rescue are doing everything you can to help this dog.
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Oh I am so sorry this happened to you. What a horror story. Are you considering pursuing them legally? They should totally have to be held accountable for not only selling you such a dog for such an outrageous price tag, but for the horrible things they did to that poor dog, from breeding two sub par prospects to create a dog with such physical ailments to the horribly abusive training he must have endured to become the bundle of nerves he is. I'm sure the vet and rescue would be willing to put their assessments on paper. I can see you having a strong case. These people should be held accountable.
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I am honestly sickened by the people who said I should send him back. The money is gone and if I had to pay 15k to get him out of that hell hole, then so be it. I hope to business is shut down.



I have sent him to rescue and they said they would keep me updated. Sadly, they suspect he has Degenerative Myelopathy, as his hind limbs are weak. This is something I didn't notice. He was taken to a vet the same day (had to be sedated, muzzled and have two people with him at all times), and the vet suspects Dilated Cardiomyopathy. They were unable to get anything other than blood, as he was too aggressive. But, the vet said he was short of breath and his paws were swollen. I did notice the panting, but I honestly thought this was from constant stress. He has been diagnosed with Narcolepsy. His foster mom says he will loose control of his muscles, become paralyzed and weak. I 100% noticed this and thought it was him having one of his psychotic episodes. It is also suspected that he might have Von Willebrand's Disease. He is urinating blood, is severely bruised, has been bleeding from his mouth anytime he chews on something and has had several nosebleeds. Again, I noticed none of this. Now, there is blood in my garage that I cleaned up. I thought it was mine from where he bit me. He tore through the muscle in my arm and there was a huge amount of blood. I was told by rescue that they may need to euthanize him, because of quality of life issues. According to the woman who took him from me, he makes puppy mill dogs look like pictures of perfection. *sigh*
You're such a great person, and I respect you more then I can say. Thank you for caring so much about him, and for trying to get him the help that he so desperately needs. My heart is broken for you all. I don't know how the breeder/trainer can sleep at night knowing that they bred such a dog and subjected it to such abuse before selling him to unsuspecting you.

Thank you for updating us, I did wonder how he was doing, I just wish it were better. We want to believe they will all have a happy ending but sometimes all we can do is get them out of the horror they are living in and give them a merciful end.
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If you purchased this dog from PDS, we have a health and temperament guarantee and you signed a contract that the dog must come back to us, not be surrendered to a rescue to be destroyed.
Please contact me ASAP 502-643-5143
We have videos of all dogs at all levels of training.
We canít help if you donít contact us. We cannot allow one of our dogs to fall into the wrong hands either.
If you are PDS and thatís where this dog came from, good luck explaining the condition of the dog to court in the case you try to use the contract against the kind human you sold the dog to.
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If you purchased this dog from PDS, we have a health and temperament guarantee and you signed a contract that the dog must come back to us, not be surrendered to a rescue to be destroyed.
Please contact me ASAP 502-643-5143
We have videos of all dogs at all levels of training.
We canít help if you donít contact us. We cannot allow one of our dogs to fall into the wrong hands either.

I never said where I purchased this dog from and I don't appreciate you even responding to my post OR sending me private messages. I will not be contacting you. Your help isn't needed. This poor dog is TRYING to be saved by a breed rescue! I never even said who I purchased the dog from, but I would appreciate you leaving me alone. The dog will NOT be going back to the person I bought him from. He is in rescue and getting the care he so desperately needs. He is a sick, abused, dangerous dog and I would rather see him euthanized than to go back where he came from.
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If you are PDS and thatís where this dog came from, good luck explaining the condition of the dog to court in the case you try to use the contract against the kind human you sold the dog to.

I don't know who this person is, but they have some nerve trying to contact me!
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@Jencop,

You might really want to rethink your post. I have no idea where Marcie got her dog. However, if this dog, in fact, came from your breeding operation, you are revealing the abusive training methods you are apparently using. I personally thought she and her family should have contacted the local media. Maybe they still should. If you sold them this dog, do you really want the publicity of having sold a neurotic, potentially dangerous dog to a family of children for some $15,000???
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@Jencop,

You might really want to rethink your post. I have no idea where Marcie got her dog. However, if this dog, in fact, came from your breeding operation, you are revealing the abusive training methods you are apparently using. I personally thought she and her family should have contacted the local media. Maybe they still should. If you sold them this dog, do you really want the publicity of having sold a neurotic, potentially dangerous dog to a family of children for some $15,000???

I agree. Again, I never said where I got the dog and I have no idea who the person is. If they are the person I got my dog from (don't recognize the name or number), they have reveled themselves. My husband doesn't want to get the media involved. I was on the fence about it. If that dog would have hurt one of my children, it would have been a different story and their father and my husband would have been on the warpath, as those little girls are his life.
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