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Old 08-08-2018, 05:40 PM
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That's very rigid of you, you'd hate my style. You'd also be wrong about the control I have over my dog. She gets to do what she wants as long as she doesn't pull and yet I don't let her interfere with anyone else. She's in heel if we pass people or dogs or crossing roads.

I totally disagree about people too, respect is not gauged by where we stand in line it's far more complex than that.
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Old 08-09-2018, 06:37 PM
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True @AthenaLove, To me it's rude, just as a child walking in front of a parent or care giver is rude. It shows lack of respect and discipline on the part of the adult.


When I stop, if I don't ask them to sit or lay down, that's when they can sniff, potty, etc... On leash they work on my schedule and, at my pace, not their own, no chasing, no sniffing, no stopping until I decide it's time to do those things. On leash I expect them to look to me for approval to do anything except follow me.

Same as if I take the grand kids to the store, they follow me and remain quiet. I will ask them if they want a drink or need the bathroom often enough. . I avoid people walking dogs that are jumping about, pulling or running all over from side to side on walks. Off leash is the time for that, not while on leash.

To me, the whole idea of having a dog on leash is to be in control of the dog, if it's doing what it wants, the handler isn't in control.
Umm ok, Halo. "Rude" to let a dog go anywhere but behind the owner??

First of all, where the dog walks physically has nothing to do with respect or a lack of it IF the handler/owner and the dog are working together beautifully and with MUTUAL RESPECT and trust. Which is what we should all be striving for with our dogs, in my opinion.

A dog handler can pick any position for the dog to be in and still have respect, control, or whatever you want to call it. This exact strict positioning idea sounds so much like Cesar Milan BS to me.

My dogs walk with me, in front, on side, I let them sniff ALOT, sometimes I let them lead where they would like to go explore. Walking is fun time for them--- not strict military walking. Not my style ever, sorry.

Our walks are also for training and learning as well and every moment is a training opportunity in my mind, but I make learning FUN and rewarding!!!

****FWIW --- I take my dogs to banks, stores, businesses, work, etc and everyone stops and compliments me on how WELL BEHAVED my dogs are--- and then bombard me with training questions to help their ill behaved dogs.

So for me that proves that respect comes from the mutual trust, bond and humane training of the dog from the owner, not any specific exact position or ultra strict military fashion rules.
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True @AthenaLove,

Same as if I take the grand kids to the store, they follow me and remain quiet. I will ask them if they want a drink or need the bathroom often enough. Children and pets behaving like hooligans in public irks me to no end, mine won't be doing that.
Who said anything about kids or dogs behaving like hooligans??? We were only talking about body position of dogs on walks. That is quite a leap from my dog walking in front of me politely to hooligan behavior. I am a bit confused.

Like I said before everyone has a training style they prefer. But it is ironic, because your example of the shopping with your grand kids is the same example I use often to teach dog owners a different training perspective

I have owned a shop now for 27 years. I see parents come in and immediately blast their kidlets with the "DONT touch ANYTHING!!! speech. For me I usually say I don't mind if they touch things, but some things are for kiddos to touch, some items to ask before touching, and some to only look at in a showcase.

Shopping isn't much fun if you can't touch anything, you have to be silent, strictly limit interaction between the kids and adults. For me: Why not teach kids (and DOGS) what is polite, appropriate behavior and make it fun so the dog or kid is eager to learn as opposed to strict military style that only teaches limited information...and yields not so much enjoyment while learning?

Learning should be enjoyable and rewarding for best results, I have found.
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True @AthenaLove,

When I stop, if I don't ask them to sit or lay down, that's when they can sniff, potty, etc... On leash they work on my schedule and, at my pace, not their own, no chasing, no sniffing, no stopping until I decide it's time to do those things.
Same as if I take the grand kids to the store, they follow me and remain quiet. I will ask them if they want a drink or need the bathroom often enough. .
So if I understand your post correctly, @Halo, are you saying that if your dogs(or grand kids) have to potty they can't tell you, but have to wait until you inquire or specify the time? I hadn't heard of that method.

I personally want my dogs (or kids when applicable) to 1) immediately let me know they have to potty so I can make accommodations and 2) know they (dogs) can potty when needed in appropriate places outdoors without any sort of permission. I have never had a problem with my method. I know sometimes for me esp as I get older.... when ya gotta go, ya gotta go

Since I am always interested in learning about behavior , may I ask why you choose this method?
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Yes, out in public children and dogs are to be followers and, to be silent. That's why you train a command for potty form day one, so the dog will go when and where it's appropriate.

Children will go when the opportunity is given, with seven grand kids, I refuse to go to the toilets seven different times in one hour, you all go now or hold it until I say we are going back to the toilets in a couple of hours.

There are many place outdoors where a dog cannot or should not potty. I won't have my dogs messing in the Senator's yard or on the courthouse lawn, places we walk every time we visit my daughter. They can't just do it in the middle of the road or on a busy sidewalk, in front of doors, on trails, etc... so on leash the dog goes when and where I say it goes. Off leash is for the dog to do as it wants.
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Sooo... Gonna just say that perhaps there's some cultural stuff going on with such large differences of opinion? But anyway... Back to the original question!

Ime with reluctant walkers, most have been concerned/worried/nervous about something. Addressing their concern and confidence building helps. I've also had good success with tossed treats (as well as popping up for treats). I prefer to play the game as reinforcement for moving with me (they walk, I mark, then huge game. Over time require more distance traveled) rather than tossing to lure movement.

A couple I've worked with seemed as if it was a behavior chain that the owners unintentionally created (why I prefer not to use tossed treats to lure movement)

Another option I really like is handtargets though it has to be a strong behavior.
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So my dog is always keen for a walk, I think this has alot to do with the fact that she likes the area we are walking in & the destination is a fun run on the beach with some digging & splashing etc off lead, then back on a lead to home. There's not frightening traffic or loud noises or scary big dogs barking to pass. My friend asked me to walk her dog with mine as she was having probs with hers stopping & starting or refusing to go further, I asked her if the dog was sore or stiff from fall or arthritis but she said no, just stubborn. I put them in harnesses & tied the leads together at the top & held the handle. Its good cos it doesnt pull my hand & her dog would get a bit of a tow from mine. They both seemed to really enjoy it. Mine didnt mind & the other found the momentum helped, also motivation watching my dog & following. She also gained confidence having my one in front of her. They were by my side. I also let them stop & sniff whenever they like so the older dog got breaks & it wasnt too much expectation or too fast. With walking my dog I relied on telling her what I want her to do, not on the lead. I taught her stop, & go, stop say it out loud & stop, then say go & go. She likes it & thinks its a fun game. I never used treat training, she just wasnt interested in being bribed & wouldnt take the bribe.
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