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Old 06-14-2009, 10:57 AM
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Am I too late?

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Last year I bought a dog for my son. Her name is Blue. Blue is mix but for sure yellow lab. After having Blue for a short amount of time major allergic reaction occured in my household. It seemed right at the time to have someone else care for Blue because we were pretty sure she was what caused the allergic reaction. She went to live with some people who I thought would help care for her. I was wrong. After a year they called and said they couldnt have the dog anymore that either I could take her back or they were taking her to the pound. Of course I couldnt just let them turn the dog into the pound. She had lived outside for the past year. Now that she is back there is yet to be an allergic reaction however she is outside all of the time. She is wild and is in serious need of training. She jumps on me everytime I go near here and when I tell her "down" or push her off of me she does it again. I really would like her to be inside. I feel bad for giving her to someone else because they did absolutely no training with her. When I take her on walks she runs in circles or jumps on me the entire time.
Does anyone have any suggestions? Where do I start? Am I too late?
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Old 06-14-2009, 12:50 PM
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never too late to train a dog..

your dog simply sounds like hes so excited hes beside himself...so a good deal of exercise is in order.

If you tell him "off" or "down" and you haven't taught him what those words mean, you might as well tell him "alhdlfh" or "lasdflhasd" you have to specifically teach him meaning to the commands.

Don't push back...this makes the dog more excited...simple turn around and put your hands/arms close to your body and wait... the second he stops and sits yell "yes!" and give him a treat. Repeat repeat repeat.

I would seriously tho, start to think about getting him into a positive reinforcement training class asap.

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Old 06-14-2009, 01:01 PM
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Do you know how old she is approx? My guess by your story about a year or two? If so, I personally don't think it's too late at all.

However, she may be sensing that she's making you frustrated, rathered than annoyed. Dogs go by the reactions of their owners. She needs to know that while you love her, she also must know her place in the family, or she will continue to become unruly. Have you tried looking into obedience classes?

Try taking about 10-15 minutes out a day first, treats handy. And go through commands.

At first, try to see if she's listening, this will establish communication. Show her the treat, then hold it at bay while telling her a command. (eg; 'sit') If it takes a few tries, you need to go back to the puppy method and gently press down on her backside until she's in the position. Then, give her the treat and praise her as well. It's positive reinforcement. Do this a few more times until, she doesn't need to be shown what to do, and then, when she does it the first time. Don't forget to praise her as well as the treat. Next time, she'll probably be improved, and then you try to let her know that without listening, she doesn't get a treat or praise.

Soon, she will connect good behavior (with each command, not just sit) with a happy you, and a happy reward. Bad behavior, produces the opposite. You basically have to go right back to puppyhood and start all over again.

If after a few weeks or months she still shows no improvement whatsoever, look into obedience classes. That will not only bond you and your pup together, but they will show you how to find the best way for her to listen to you, as well as improve your skills at training her. Even if there is an improvement, it also couldn't hurt to look into it as it might even be more beneficial, and she could settle down a lot more.
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I should add also. The same methods I gave you, are the same I have done with Ori, and they worked wonders for him. He's 6-months old, well-behaved, and knows almost all his commands. If only the cat would follow suit. Lol.

To add onto what Criosphynx mentioned, it also might be that she's a bit confused. She's not quite sure what's she's doing wrong, and she's not sure what she's doing right. She's reacting in the moment and thinking "I'll just do what I want to do until something happens." Thereby making her less comunicative to you. If that makes sense. I apologize. It's 4am here. Lol.
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Show her the treat, then hold it at bay while telling her a command. (eg; 'sit') If it takes a few tries, you need to go back to the puppy method and gently press down on her backside until she's in the position. Then, give her the treat and praise her as well. It's positive reinforcement.

This is bribery. We need to aim for rewards. I really don't recommend you show the dog the food before the behavior. This is why dogs become dependent on food before a behavior.


what you are describing is negative punishment...you press on the dogs butt (which they don't like) until they sit (then you remove your hand) you doing som'thing the dog doesn't like until they comply. This is traditional training.

Wait until the dog offers the behavior...if you have to model him (show him with your hands physically) it will take waaay longer than if he figures it out on his own...he WILL sit on his own.

This is important...that HE figures out that HIS behavior causes the reward....also if the dog just wants attention touching him can be reinforcing...so your accidentally reinforcing the jumping..

Theres no need to show him, and in fact showing him can lead to dogs that will always need to be shown with your hands..


rest of your advise was awesome..



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Hmm. It seems to have worked with Ori. Over time, I gradually gave him praise and lessened the treats. He still gets a treat now and again, of course, but he doesn't expect it.
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Hmm. It seems to have worked with Ori. Over time, I gradually gave him praise and lessened the treats. He still gets a treat now and again, of course, but he doesn't expect it.

If you fade the treats quickly, it can work, but not everyone fades treats fast...so its not ideal, many dogs get stuck.



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