Of all the brilliantly idiodic "training" for anxiety!! - Page 2

Go Back   Dog Forum > Keeping and Caring for Dogs > Dog Training and Behavior

Of all the brilliantly idiodic "training" for anxiety!!

This is a discussion on Of all the brilliantly idiodic "training" for anxiety!! within the Dog Training and Behavior forums, part of the Keeping and Caring for Dogs category; Originally Posted by PoppyKenna @ leashedForLife - that's assuming this trainer even knows HOW to recognize stress signals. Someone who thinks that an e-collar eliminates ...

User Tag List

Like Tree11Likes

 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 10-31-2017, 03:07 PM
  #11
Senior Member
 
Rain's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Texas
Posts: 10,646
Mentioned: 359 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by PoppyKenna View Post
@leashedForLife - that's assuming this trainer even knows HOW to recognize stress signals. Someone who thinks that an e-collar eliminates stress/anxiety clearly has no clue about how fear functions in dogs. Like, at all.

This clip really brings out the "Mama Bear" in me and I can tell you that, despite the fact that I am a VERY shy individual, if she so much as suggested that to me for my dog she'd get an earful. At least. Wish I could just scoop that poor pup up and take him somewhere safe.
Normally I don't bother posting on shock collar trainer, or sellers, fb pages, but I was so ticked when i realized what she was using the collar for that I decided to try. I really was as diplomatic as I could be in my post on the page yet it was apparently deleted. So not only is she using shock collars on fearful, anxious, stressed, dogs, but she's unwilling to even discuss other training techniques.

I think the video rubbed me so wrong because of my own fearful dog. I could just picture how he would be if I put that collar on him and shocked him for simply self soothing or reacting to something
Rain is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-31-2017, 03:19 PM
  #12
Senior Member
 
PoppyKenna's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Kansas
Posts: 2,875
Mentioned: 715 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Ugh. I fell for it - I commented. Probably won't be up long, but whatever.

At least she doesn't have too many "followers" that are praising the video. Unfortunately, though, it looks like a lot of the people who commented are pretty lost/clueless and will probably go forth and try her idea because they have no others of their own.
PoppyKenna is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-31-2017, 04:46 PM
  #13
Senior Member
 
PoppyKenna's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Kansas
Posts: 2,875
Mentioned: 715 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
So they actually didn't delete me, but did respond! Apparently the dog is "never calm" (so her indications that he is relaxed in the video are way off base). She also snarkily suggested I not follow the page if I'm not interested in her methods.

How sad for a dog to never be calm. Even Chisum is calm/happy for pretty decent stretches during the day - often hours at a time and for some things he recovers very quickly even if he's upset - and the general consensus from everyone I've seen with him is that his issues are quite severe.
Rain and leashedForLife like this.
PoppyKenna is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Old 11-01-2017, 12:22 PM
  #14
Senior Member
 
Rain's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Texas
Posts: 10,646
Mentioned: 359 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by PoppyKenna View Post
So they actually didn't delete me, but did respond! Apparently the dog is "never calm" (so her indications that he is relaxed in the video are way off base). She also snarkily suggested I not follow the page if I'm not interested in her methods.

How sad for a dog to never be calm. Even Chisum is calm/happy for pretty decent stretches during the day - often hours at a time and for some things he recovers very quickly even if he's upset - and the general consensus from everyone I've seen with him is that his issues are quite severe.
Yeah Zody is usually calm and happy although he can go from that to fearful anxious in a heartbeat. For a dog to always be in a state of anxiousness or fear is heartbreaking, and then to be shocked into shutting down and have the human say look, he's now calm, is sickening.

Sounds like I'm right in thinking that she's not interested in learning better methods or even in how to actually read a dogs body language.
leashedForLife likes this.
Rain is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-01-2017, 09:41 PM
  #15
Dog Forum ModeraTHOR
 
ZoesMom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Portland, Oregon
Posts: 4,351
Mentioned: 158 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Wow. That video made me incredibly uncomfortable and really sad.
ZoesMom is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-03-2017, 08:22 PM
  #16
Senior Member
 
Chas's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Australia
Posts: 1,628
Mentioned: 126 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
This would have been a perfect case to bring in Karen Overall's relaxation protocol.
leashedForLife likes this.
Chas is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 11-04-2017, 08:22 PM
  #17
Banned
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Boston metro-area, USA
Posts: 1,885
Mentioned: 46 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Lightbulb ah, that much-missed website!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Chas View Post

This would have been a perfect case to bring in Karen Overall's relaxation protocol.


that was once-upon-a-time posted on Dr K's AggroInDogs website - which vanished a few years back.
Her 'protocol for CC / DS at the door' also evaporated.

here's a copy -
https://www.boulderhumane.org/sites/...Relaxation.pdf

& the MP3 files for audio -
https://championofmyheart.com/relaxa...col-mp3-files/

... reading the protocol is daunting - hearing a STEP within it, it sounds do-able.

- terry

Chas likes this.
leashedForLife is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply



Thread Tools
Display Modes


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:14 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.0 PL2
vBulletin Security provided by vBSecurity v2.2.2 (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging v3.1.0 (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2019 DragonByte Technologies Ltd. Runs best on HiVelocity Hosting.