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Old 05-01-2009, 07:29 PM
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I have two siberian husky australian sheperd mixes, they are roughly seven or eight years old. Their names are Fire and Ice. They were littermates, so they get along fine, but Ice is my dominant one, and Fire is the submisive. They seem to be dog aggresive, I dont know for sure if it is fear based, though I doubt it is. And I also dont know if they were socialized well when they were little since we got them when they were about two years old. But when ever I take Ice for a walk or even try to let her meet my new dog she goes pretty much crazy. When we are walking and we see a dog she begins to whine and lunge, sometimes she tries to get out of her harness/collar. When she is in her dog run and I bring my little Jack Rat out she starts barking, jumping and pulling at the chain link fence of the dog run they stay in. Fire is different when shes by herself, when I go by a dog she doesnt really care as long as the dog doesnt come to close, if it does then she snaps at it and bares her teeth, all with out warning, which means I have a little trouble correcting her. She is fine in her pen just paces or watches her sister go crazy. And yes I do walk my dogs frequently often for a few miles, so I dont think its pent up energy. I also train dogs and have trained them well except for this, i've tried many things to help them but I need some more help.
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Well it seems to me that you are not the leader and thats what the problem is. Your two huskies have packed up together and one is dominant, one is submissive, and you are either at the bottom or not factored in at all. I would work on establishing a better leadership role with the dominant one. If u were th leader, then he wouldnt be needing to defend himself for whatever reason. That would be your job.
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Well it seems to me that you are not the leader and thats what the problem is. Your two huskies have packed up together and one is dominant, one is submissive, and you are either at the bottom or not factored in at all. I would work on establishing a better leadership role with the dominant one. If u were th leader, then he wouldnt be needing to defend himself for whatever reason. That would be your job.
this has nothing to do with leadership.


YOur dogs are whats called "leash reactive" you need to keep the dogs below threshold and reward appropriate behavior and then decrease the distance between you and the trigger SLOWLY..

corrections will just arouse the dog more and make it worse. Because now when they see dogs they feel pain... dog=pain. Which makes the reaction worse.

Barking through fences is barrier frustration. They want to get the the dog and can't so they wig out.

YOu can google leash reactivity and barrier frustration and find lots of helpfull info...im in a hurry right now...if you have more questions just ask.



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I looked that up and that sounds almost exactly like her. I've let both Fire and Ice out into the back yard then after an hour or two I went out with my jack rat, they did nothing but sniff her if I saw one that something that looked like it could be aggression, i simply made a correction sound and they back off and settled down again.
But when we took all three to the park that was a different story. Ice lunged and tried to attack Teika while when ever Teika got to close to Fire, Fire would nip at her, though that looked more like play then aggression. All three were on leashes.
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Leash aggression is common. My lab/border collie is leash and cage aggressive. He can play just fine at the dog park but if on a leash he can turn. Most the time hes good at warning us lol but sometimes I dont feel comfy letting him meet dogs when leashed. I am sure if you just take your time and stay calm you can try different techniques and work it out
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Thanks we've gotten Ice a halter called a Halti. In the yard and in the garage shes okay on her leash and halter with Teika, but later that day I took her for a walk and a little pomeranian came walking by she fought the halter and got free as I was readjusting my grip I still had a hold on her but she went after and bit the other dog. We are getting them training now and canine anger management for Ice. At this point I dont know what to do to help her, I've done everything I've could, i've tried to install myself as the calm assertive leader she needs and she fights me. I've tried positive reinforcment, counter training, she doesn't listen, clicker training, basic training, even a little military style training, when another dog comes around she goes insane. It's seems like if I take her for walks she's going to have to be muzzled for the welfare of the other dogs until I can figure out a way to help her and I seriously dont want to do that I know it will only hurt her more, but I cant have her risking to be put to sleep or being sued by some mad dog owner. I hope the training and canine anger management helps her.
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Thanks we've gotten Ice a halter called a Halti. In the yard and in the garage shes okay on her leash and halter with Teika, but later that day I took her for a walk and a little pomeranian came walking by she fought the halter and got free as I was readjusting my grip I still had a hold on her but she went after and bit the other dog. We are getting them training now and canine anger management for Ice. At this point I dont know what to do to help her, I've done everything I've could, i've tried to install myself as the calm assertive leader she needs and she fights me. I've tried positive reinforcment, counter training, she doesn't listen, clicker training, basic training, even a little military style training, when another dog comes around she goes insane. It's seems like if I take her for walks she's going to have to be muzzled for the welfare of the other dogs until I can figure out a way to help her and I seriously dont want to do that I know it will only hurt her more, but I cant have her risking to be put to sleep or being sued by some mad dog owner. I hope the training and canine anger management helps her.
How long did you stick with each method? Did a trainer walk you through it?



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Yes a trainer did walk me through it and I usually stayed with a method for a few months to a year. but I usually use a mix of things, it seems to help her more especially since she does not respond at all to clicker training she doesnt really care about the treats especially when another dog is around it difficult to break her attention and to calm her like I can do when shes on her home turf. I usually use more natural methods and she responds very well to them so I am sticking to them. when shes alone shes a well trained obedient dog on and off the leash.
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Yes a trainer did walk me through it and I usually stayed with a method for a few months to a year. but I usually use a mix of things, it seems to help her more especially since she does not respond at all to clicker training she doesnt really care about the treats especially when another dog is around it difficult to break her attention and to calm her like I can do when shes on her home turf. I usually use more natural methods and she responds very well to them so I am sticking to them. when shes alone shes a well trained obedient dog on and off the leash.
This is a simple and easy fix. All this means that the dog is over treshhold (your too close to the trigger) all learning stops at this level, you need to start further away from the trigger and build up closer and closer.

If you always did the training over treshhold thats why the dog never changed. He litterally can't learn anything in that state of mind.

sorry, just my .02 good luck with your new training, let us know how it goes.



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I understand that, I never trained them or started them with another dog around until I was sure they got the hang of what I was asking. It was only then that I tried the same thing somewhere different.
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