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Old 12-16-2012, 02:02 PM
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Phew - lots of questions and some intersting points raised! I would like to clarify firstly that I am not at all judging any of the countries where this practise is widespread. I have travelled widely enough to value what different cultures can bring us and know that not everyone views dogs in the way we do. My passion for this particular cause does not stem from the fact that dogs are eaten but from the level of cruelty and abuse inflicted and also from the huge number of dogs involved. There are many organistions trying to help and raise awareness. The following link is to a charity in Thailand.
http://www.soidog.org/

This is their campaign link to end the dog meat trade. You will find more information on there.
Trade of Shame

It is also worth looking at a charity called 'Animal Asia'. They work in China.

Hope this helps!
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Old 12-16-2012, 04:41 PM
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Hey, I only buy free range meat. I don't care if it's a dog, cat, guinea pig, horse, cow or pig. No animal should suffer abuse. We should be respectful and thankful of those lives we use to feed ourselves. To me, there is no excuse for any kind of abuse.
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Ditto Annadee. If I don't know the rancher personally, I look for free range/grass fed/etc from small local farms. I don't follow this to a T, but I try.

And thank you fatdog for the links. I'll check them out.
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Ahhh West Coast Naivete, it really does make me love the coast and yet frustrates the hell out of me Annadee. Free range does not even remotely mean Humane. How do I know this, cause as west coast as I am, my families roots are all Cattle Ranching, and I flew back to the flatlands for quick money starting at 9 or 10, I have worked our land, I have worked feedlots and I have worked the range, what I guarantee you is this there are feedlot owners that love their cattle and range riders that beat the piss out of their stock, yes the different names are deliberate. I have seen feed lot operators gently walk their inventory into the slaughter shoot and "caliper" them and I've seen free range cattle electrically prodded into the slaughter house and stun bolt them and pick them up with an excavator as they prod the next one into place.
Just something to think about the next time you are justifying $ 2.00 extra for free range organic bred whatever.
And if that didn't horrify you enough, we sprayed chemicals on our land with a 50 year half life, but since "Organic" requires 7 years of non chemical farming, how much safer do you think those Vegetables really are?
I buy as much as I can from local people, then buy whatever else I need from wherever it is cheapest
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Old 12-16-2012, 09:20 PM
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I feel for the dogs in China, but again my point was it's culture. As much as every Hindu in Asia can prey or donate or do whatever, McDonalds will continue to serve a Billion burgers. I felt bad for Haiti, but am still appalled that Canada donated a 113 Million dollars to Haiti, then upped our taxes, meanwhile Pandora street is a Zoo after 18:00 hours because the Mental Institutions in B.C. are closed or downsized.
How can we judge China, where it is a cultural thing, when we allow stuff like this to occur on our watch.
Owner Charged with Animal Cruelty Speaks Out on
Owner Charged with Animal Cruelty Speaks Out on
This occured less then a mile from my house. I couldn't find the more recent link but the husband recieved a $250 dollar fine and a 3 year ban on owning pets! Maybe this year it won't be Santa coming to visit on Christmas Eve
This Happened Less then a Hundred miles from both of us Annadee
Whistler sled dog cull - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
And most disturbing to me being a GSD owner this:
Cruelty charge laid in death of Captain the dog, left beaten in dumpster - Yahoo! News
I tip my hat at you for trying in the orient, but I think the most proactive thing to do is start where societal mores frown on the problem not try and change 1000's of years of culture that accept the problem.
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I feel for the dogs in China, but again my point was it's culture. As much as every Hindu in Asia can prey or donate or do whatever, McDonalds will continue to serve a Billion burgers. I felt bad for Haiti, but am still appalled that Canada donated a 113 Million dollars to Haiti, then upped our taxes, meanwhile Pandora street is a Zoo after 18:00 hours because the Mental Institutions in B.C. are closed or downsized.
How can we judge China, where it is a cultural thing, when we allow stuff like this to occur on our watch.
Owner Charged with Animal Cruelty Speaks Out on
Owner Charged with Animal Cruelty Speaks Out on
This occured less then a mile from my house. I couldn't find the more recent link but the husband recieved a $250 dollar fine and a 3 year ban on owning pets! Maybe this year it won't be Santa coming to visit on Christmas Eve
This Happened Less then a Hundred miles from both of us Annadee
Whistler sled dog cull - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
And most disturbing to me being a GSD owner this:
Cruelty charge laid in death of Captain the dog, left beaten in dumpster - Yahoo! News
I tip my hat at you for trying in the orient, but I think the most proactive thing to do is start where societal mores frown on the problem not try and change 1000's of years of culture that accept the problem.
Now my Porterhouse has rested, off to dine
I agree with much of what you say, FWIW. Especially, the culture bit--to a point--and addressing local/national issues. I respect everyone's rights to their own cultures and try to keep an open mind. But changing cultures isn't always a bad thing--and you can't change them if you don't first inform yourself and criticize or admit some things can't be justified just because its "culture."

And as far as West Coast Naivette--born and raised in NE Oregon--about as rural as you can get, and I, too, have ranching family and friends. Call it naive, but yeah, I do prefer from those whose practices and animal care I know; and if I don't know them personally, I will pay the extra from some other farmer/rancher whose practices I feel comfortable with. (But no, I don't limit it to Organic because I am familiar with the requirements and especially don't agree with not being able to treat with antibiotics.) And again we are back to stereotypes.... First US hates China, now West Coasters are naive.... BTW, US hates everybody. lol
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You know Crock I actually deleted a paragraph because I thought my post was too long, and you called me on exactly what I wrote, I have a side of beef in one freezer that I hand fed, pork ( from pigs I played with) and Lamb (chances are I cuddled) in another freezer, all from farms local enough that I am able to drive/boat to. But when supplies start running out I honestly don't trust the words Free range at the local Thrifty's or in your case Albertson's even if Joe owned it once
As for culture, I don't excuse them because of it, but I find fighting it is an exercise in futility, I wish I were Paul Wolfe, but alas, I can only do what I can do.
Again as I stated on another post, I'm the guy who spent 3 days in court for whipping a guy with his leash, and got bit really badly in the process. The main difference is I acted, right or wrong, had an effect, and didn't go to a website with my hat in my hands guilting people into donations for my defense.
And lastly I never stated west coasters are Naive, I said West Coast Naivete, semantically a huge difference. I've lived here for the most part since 73, so if I was stereotyping I would be stereotyping myself
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Just like "cage free" isn't the lovely conditions it suggests.... I get what you're saying. I can't argue with anything in your post (shucks ). And my bad re:the semantics.... Btw, I would have enjoyed seeing you whip someone with a leash because of whatever he was doing to his dog. Like you said, right or wrong. I bet he learned a lesson.
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To be honest I whipped him for exactly that, I warned him twice to stop whipping his dog with his leash, the third time he did it to spite me so I took his leash as I flipped him to the ground and whipped him three times across the ass with it., meanwhile the dog he was whipping latched onto my arm. Luckily the "mutt" was mostly retreiver/lab like so he had a pretty soft mouth, but I did end up needing a couple of IV's and a course of oral antibiotics :-) Ahh to be young again lol
As for the origin of this post, I am not making any judgement as to the legitimacy of it, but we are lucky on this one, a few other forums I belong to are full of "new members" seeking donations:-( Hell I even question the ethics of my local SPCA because of the woman in charge and her tactics. I don't financially support Wolfe, but if I were going to give an animal activist group money it would be one like Sea Shepherd, he may be a millitant criminal, but at least Wolfe takes real actions, and he's in the trenches :-)
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