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Old 04-14-2019, 02:54 AM
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We are distraught but what do we do

Folks: dear family friend and loyal exercise buddy is struggling. Our 5 1/2 year old male Shelty started (2 months ago) to have a head tilt and droopy ear and mouth on the left side. Vet said either palsy or tumor pressing on the facia nerve.

Tried prednisone with no change.

That was 2 1/2 months ago. He’s been happy just “crooked”.

Today on my daily walk I noticed his bark is different. Less powerful and pitched lower. Then noticed he stopped eating and drinking. When he tries he expatriates it like mad. Took him to another vet. She concluded it is possibly a mass pressing on the 7th facia nerve and now it’s progressed to the 9th that controls the esophagus. We can’t be sure without imaging. MRI runs about 2K.

I got food down him if he eats almost standing. They hydrated him with a subcutaneous injection of fluids.

He sleeps for 20 min then hacks up any saliva he tried to swallow.

I don’t get it. I don’t want to rush too quickly in saying good bye. I’ve come up with these list of questions. Tell me if I’m looking at this wrong:

1. could the Palsy and now this be two entirely different and unrelated things and we’ve just associated the two because of timing? Remember, his Palsy started 1st week in February and mid April he has this.

2. Since we don’t have a positive confirmation from an MRI, is it possible his gagging on food and water is a bug and it would pass with time? Meaning are we jumping the gun too fast to put him down next week when he could recover—if we were patient? Is it wise to give him time with such swallowing issues? All other parts of him are normal. Behavior, energy, temperament, even desire to walk.

3. I can feed him upright and he eats. The issue is water. Not sure how to do that. If we can solve that, should we give him a period of time to see if he improves? Meaning does such swallowing issues ever self-resolve?
4. No one has done blood biopsy. Why? Could one indicate what might be an issue?
5. Could he have a foreign object lodged in the pharynx or esophagus? Vet did not examine for that.
6. His bark has changed but It was only different as of today. Is that possible from an infections or damage or is that always neurological.
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Old 04-14-2019, 04:18 PM
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I'm so sorry he's feeling so terrible. If he's not able to keep anything down he's going to be severely dehydrated. Is there any way you can get him the MRI to find out what's going on?

Check around in your area and the surrounding areas to see if there is a better price available. Maybe a veterinary training hospital. Vets have different prices so you might find a more reasonable rate.

I wish him the best. Good luck!!
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Sounds like what you need is a second opinion from a different vet. This is complex issue and I don't think anyone could give you advice over the internet that would benefit your dog.
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I would see a different vet, maybe a hospital or internal medicine vet. I've heard of dogs with mega esophagus that lived for years having go be fed sitting up straight or standing.

As for drinking, I'm currently watching a dog that apparently doesn't drink any water at all and supposedly gets enough moisture from his canned food. I don't know how but he hasn't drank at all since he's been here.
His owner said he was from a neglected home and lived outside for years because he wasn't housebroken. He was never given clean water but gross water so he just never drank.


I had a cat that was supposedly dying the day I brought her to a vet from kidney failure. Vet told me she'd die in the car on the way to the hospital. I gave her subcutaneous fluids every two or three days and she lived a few months so maybe you could give your dog subcutaneous fluids.

You can do other tests to try to see what's going on besides an MRI. MRIs take 45 minutes or longer, are expensive and require animals to have general anesthesia which is more risky and invasion.

I refused MRIs for my cat with cancer that just passed away less than three weeks ago. The vets were suspicious that his cancer had spread. I didn't want to out him through the stress of anesthesia so I only agreed to x rays and CT scan possibly.

Best wishes for you and your pup.

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Folks: dear family friend and loyal exercise buddy is struggling. Our 5 1/2 year old male Shelty started (2 months ago) to have a head tilt and droopy ear and mouth on the left side. Vet said either palsy or tumor pressing on the facia nerve.

Tried prednisone with no change.

That was 2 1/2 months ago. Heís been happy just ďcrookedĒ.

Today on my daily walk I noticed his bark is different. Less powerful and pitched lower. Then noticed he stopped eating and drinking. When he tries he expatriates it like mad. Took him to another vet. She concluded it is possibly a mass pressing on the 7th facia nerve and now itís progressed to the 9th that controls the esophagus. We canít be sure without imaging. MRI runs about 2K.

I got food down him if he eats almost standing. They hydrated him with a subcutaneous injection of fluids.

He sleeps for 20 min then hacks up any saliva he tried to swallow.

I donít get it. I donít want to rush too quickly in saying good bye. Iíve come up with these list of questions. Tell me if Iím looking at this wrong:

1. could the Palsy and now this be two entirely different and unrelated things and weíve just associated the two because of timing? Remember, his Palsy started 1st week in February and mid April he has this.

2. Since we donít have a positive confirmation from an MRI, is it possible his gagging on food and water is a bug and it would pass with time? Meaning are we jumping the gun too fast to put him down next week when he could recoveróif we were patient? Is it wise to give him time with such swallowing issues? All other parts of him are normal. Behavior, energy, temperament, even desire to walk.

3. I can feed him upright and he eats. The issue is water. Not sure how to do that. If we can solve that, should we give him a period of time to see if he improves? Meaning does such swallowing issues ever self-resolve?
4. No one has done blood biopsy. Why? Could one indicate what might be an issue?
5. Could he have a foreign object lodged in the pharynx or esophagus? Vet did not examine for that.
6. His bark has changed but It was only different as of today. Is that possible from an infections or damage or is that always neurological.
Hello I hope the last few days have improved in a positive manner and your dog is doing better. I hope that you have gotten a second opinion because that is very important as you can see different medical opinions. The only thing I can recommend based off my own experience with my dogs and cats is the appetite, pain, and physical activity. I use cannabis oil for my Rottweiler. The oil comes in a tincture set called Speck Pack that helps with pain and appetite. I think CBD and THC can help your dog because it will help activate his CB1 and CB2 receptors which regulate brain, spinal cord, and peripheral nerves.
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