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Old 02-14-2016, 09:19 PM
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Several comments: 1) recently we are becoming aware that not all bacteria in urine have to be treated... and if no symptoms of a UTI, perhaps it would be best to leave well enough alone. This is the thinking in people, too, now. It is hard after nearly 30 years of treating all bacterial urine to just ignore them now, but I understand the reasoning. A strong smell is NOT a reason to treat a urinary bacteria... there should be some symptoms, too... such as frequent urination, blood in the urine, painful urination, a lot of white blood cells in the urine, presence of stones etc.

Treating the presence of bacteria in the urine can sometimes lead to the development of a 'super bug', which can be VERY difficult to get rid of it causing a problem. However, problem bacteria in urine can take many months to get rid of (in vet school, 3 months of antibiotics for a difficult urinary tract infection was not uncommon... though things have changed somewhat since then).

Did your vet tell you what bacteria was in the urine? if Enterococcus, probably not worth treating as that genus rarely causes any harm in the bladder. I have been treating problematic Enterococcus bacterial 'infections' for years, only now to discover I probably should have left them alone.

2) yeast is very unlikely to be found in urine, though I have seen it once in a diabetic cat (died soon after).

3) the presence of crystals in the urine is only an indication of what a stone might be made of (if present) and the pH of the urine. Crystals in urine are usually otherwise not of a big concern. They, in themselves, cause no harm.
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Old 02-23-2016, 06:15 PM
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No, the vet doesnt know the bacteria in the urine. They havent done the C&S yet (taking him Monday unless I change my mind). Yea, the ONLY "symptom" is strong urine odor. The pH was high (8) and the wbc was elevated so thats why they said it was an infection.

I just recently bought this cranberry wellness powder and was wondering if any of y'all have an opinion on it. Tried to call my vet to make sure ok to use, but they were closed early due to bad weather here. Wanted to go ahead and get started on it, and reading reviews, it seems like its pretty good stuff. Any opinions?

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Old 02-23-2016, 07:14 PM
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if that doesnt help d mannose helps too, check out urinaid(expensive here though)
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but that cranberry one also has vitamin c which i read somewhere when fed dry food the dogs go through the vitamin c so fast it helps to give them it as a supplement i must find that article.
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btw how did the urinary s/o go? any improvements?
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btw how did the urinary s/o go? any improvements?
We have about 1-2 days left on it (I got another bag), but no change in odor. He has been drinking a little more water than he used to, maybe because of whats in it. Not an excessive amount. He now drinks about 40 oz a day, which I read is about right (1 oz per pound of body weight). Urine is consistently very light yellow in color, likely due to more water consumption.

I dunno...with NO other symptoms, I wonder if the odor really isnt a huge deal. I really dont wanna have to spend all that money on a test to find out that my dog just has a strong urine odor, though I never really noticed it til a few months ago. I wonder if the vet would let me use the powder stuff another week or so and THEN do the test.

So you think that powder stuff should be ok to start on tonight, or should I wait to ask the vet? I see all the ingredients in them and did a little research on them to see what each specifically benefitted dogs with.
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personally id wait till finished royal canin food esp if the vet wants a culture and sensitivity urine test just to see if it has worked or even just do urine dipstick first
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if urine dipstick reveals high ph still then id send urine to the lab to be tested and then after lab test try the cranberry but its up to you. How much longer does he need the royal canin urinary food for now? when can you take him off it to try a better quality food?
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if urine dipstick reveals high ph still then id send urine to the lab to be tested and then after lab test try the cranberry but its up to you. How much longer does he need the royal canin urinary food for now? when can you take him off it to try a better quality food?
The vet wanted him on the RC for about 3 weeks before testing again. Which would be since Feb 3 (so 20 days). For about 5 days I was mixing it with what he was already eating (but only very little of it, as I didn't want him to be eating the cheap stuff still) I guess by the time the bag is empty it will hav been 3 weeks, but the test won't be until Monday and I know I will run out before then. I hate to go buy a whole bag of it (Im getting the smallest size there is). I guess I could get a few cans of it and mix it half and half to make it last until then. But that's 6 more days :/

I'll call the vet in the AM to ask if I should keep him on it until Monday or if I can switch to a better food.
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The vet wanted him on the RC for about 3 weeks before testing again. Which would be since Feb 3 (so 20 days). For about 5 days I was mixing it with what he was already eating (but only very little of it, as I didn't want him to be eating the cheap stuff still) I guess by the time the bag is empty it will hav been 3 weeks, but the test won't be until Monday and I know I will run out before then. I hate to go buy a whole bag of it (Im getting the smallest size there is). I guess I could get a few cans of it and mix it half and half to make it last until then. But that's 6 more days :/

I'll call the vet in the AM to ask if I should keep him on it until Monday or if I can switch to a better food.
depends how may cups he on for you to work out if small bag will be enough and you still need to transition over a week to a new better food as will be richer then the old food.

i couldnt wait to get Jessie off it so sent urine to lab to see if it sorted her crystals out it had so i changed foods in a heart beat over a week.

i hate prescription foods ingredients esp over here in NZ! feel free to check how crappy the ingredients are for that food in NZ! usa has better ingreidents for royal canin then uk and nz alone
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Well, I just spoke with the vet. She said I could go ahead and get him some real food and that from now until Monday it shouldnt really matter. Since the RC was just for pH. She did say hold off on the cranberry supplement thing until the test comes back. They will send off to the lab for regular dipstick, and if that is abnormal, then they will send for the C&S, so maybe it won't end up costing me much anyway. If the test is abnormal, she said we may try the cranberry at that time.

I have a bunch of samples of food that companies sent me. I'm wondering if I should see which he likes best, or just buy one big bag of something and use it. The samples are just half pounds of food of different flavors, so I didnt know if testing him on just one meal with each one would mess him up too much or not. Usually he has no issues changing food at all. Or maybe to not waste the food I could just mix it in with another kind? That may be confusing. I just hate to waste the samples Ive been sent if he PREFERS another kind, but would eat the samples anyway.
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