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Old 04-16-2019, 09:35 PM
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Talking Raw dog food questions. :)

Hello! I am so excited to be saying that we will be getting a puppy in about 4-5 weeks and I was thinking of feeding it raw food. I just have a few questions regarding the safety of it...
Please tell me the answer (If you know it) And the science to back up what you are saying.



#1. Could the dog get salmonella?
#2. Could the dog get E Coli?
#3. Would it be okay to feed the dog meat that has been put in the freezer before the expiration date but past the expiration date while in the freezer?
#4. Is it sanitary if the dog licked you after eating raw meat?
#5. Can you use any raw meat from the store that has no seasonings on it?
#6. Any tips to keep it cheap?
#7. What bones and meats would be best to feed a puppy first? (We will be getting it at 6 weeks and it will have been on kibble before coming home.)
#8. Will it make their stool runny?
#9. Should I just completely stop feeding kibble and go to raw all in one day or should I do it over the course of a few weeks?
#10. How do I know how much to feed? And if I do mix it to transition how will I know how much of each to feed during the process?
#11. Since the puppy will be so young should I mix in puppy milk replacer for a little while and if so whats the best brand?
#12. At what age could I start giving harder bones?
#13. Is it safe to give them meat with freezer burn?
#14. Should I cook the meat?
#15. Any tips you have for anything regarding raw food? For example "I like to feed my dog in a Kong to exercise their brain!" Or "I like to grind the veggies and mix them with ground meat since my dog does not like veggies."
#16. What are your personal pros and cons (If you feed raw) with raw feeding to your dog.
#17. Do I need to add supplements?
#18. Can they eat expired meat?
#19. What are some foods you wouldn't think of being toxic but are to dogs?
#20. Could the dog get toxoplasmosis if it will most likely be frozen before feeding?

#21. Off topic question, We are getting our puppy very soon and was wondering some name suggestions! It's a female Australian Shepherd (Yes I know they have lots of energy and require a lot of attention), She is a blue merle but a very rare coloring, She has a white face with a grey spot above her right ear and she has black ears, she has a white neck And a light grey back with black spots, I don't know her eye color yet since her eyes are still closed And she has no tail. I was thinking maybe Stella or Tucker but any name suggestions would be well appreciated!




I do know they need organs, bones, meat, veggies, etc but these are just some questions that I would like answered! Thank you so much!
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Old 04-16-2019, 11:22 PM
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I saw a news article recently, in the past month or two that reported that recent studies had shown that raw diets have dangerous levels of bacterias in them and can make pets sick as well as humans, both adults and children in close contact with the pets eating the raw diets.

So yes, salmonella and e coli and other life threatening infections are very real dangers to a puppy especially who has a weaker immune system. As well as the surfaces storing and serving the raw food.

I personally have bought a lot of meat, kept in the freezer for a month or two and eaten it and let my large dog have a few bites. However I always cook every meat I ear extremely well done to the point of burnt sometimes and I always out it in the freezer fresh well before the expiration date.
If it's expired after I eat it, it's been well frozen and preserved the whole time. Once I take it out of the freezer I cook it within two to three days as recommended.
Once cooked I and the dog eat it within three days or less and it's always refrigerated.

I have friends that leave it longer.

Some dogs like vegetables. My dog likes and eats raw carrots, iceberg lettuce, red peppers, cucumbers and bananas and blueberries. I'd never give that to him as his main diet.

He gets balanced dog food, canned and dry. Pieces of meat and vegetables are little treats not his main diet.

I personally would never give him raw meat it's too risky and I wouldn't leave that bacteria in his bowl or want yo handle it or have him sleeping on my bed after eating it. Just my opinion, even before reading that news article.
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I saw a news article recently, in the past month or two that reported that recent studies had shown that raw diets have dangerous levels of bacterias in them and can make pets sick as well as humans, both adults and children in close contact with the pets eating the raw diets.

So yes, salmonella and e coli and other life threatening infections are very real dangers to a puppy especially who has a weaker immune system. As well as the surfaces storing and serving the raw food.

I personally have bought a lot of meat, kept in the freezer for a month or two and eaten it and let my large dog have a few bites. However I always cook every meat I ear extremely well done to the point of burnt sometimes and I always out it in the freezer fresh well before the expiration date.
If it's expired after I eat it, it's been well frozen and preserved the whole time. Once I take it out of the freezer I cook it within two to three days as recommended.
Once cooked I and the dog eat it within three days or less and it's always refrigerated.

I have friends that leave it longer.

Some dogs like vegetables. My dog likes and eats raw carrots, iceberg lettuce, red peppers, cucumbers and bananas and blueberries. I'd never give that to him as his main diet.

He gets balanced dog food, canned and dry. Pieces of meat and vegetables are little treats not his main diet.

I personally would never give him raw meat it's too risky and I wouldn't leave that bacteria in his bowl or want yo handle it or have him sleeping on my bed after eating it. Just my opinion, even before reading that news article.

Thank you so much. I will take into consideration what you are saying. In my personal opinion I would not feed kibble or canned. In my mind they should not be eating all the preservatives that are in even the highest quality kibbles out there. But again this is just my opinion and you may think at you please.
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We feed ours only fresh, but lightly cooked. Still this past week we have been fighting possible salmonella, Vet not absolutely positive, but I can tell you its been a rough and expensive week. Our Vet is suspicious it may have come from one of the treats we have been giving her, but no more, at least not that treat. I have never been an advocate of 'raw' for dogs, and after this past week, NO way.
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I hope your pup recovers quickly.
Basically there's no guarantees that anything is completely safe. I read about salmonella and e coli on vegetables and fruits and salads and recalls all the time.

And if there's no insecticides or preservatives then you get contaminated from worms, bugs, larvae and bacteria/rot.

Something's going to get you one way or the other. I just try not to feed known contaminants. Raw food is not safe for anyone, especially not puppies.

My pets have been eating canned and dry kibble for decades and some of my cats lived to be 19 and 20. I've got a horse who's a week away from turning 30 so nothing wrong with her food. She eats only grain and refuses hay. Can't eat grass for the past year due to Cushing's. Developing Cushing's at 28 or 29 for a horse, not bad at all. Many develop it in their early teens.
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Just to chime in with the opposite opinion, I have been feeding both my dog and cat raw for about a year and a half now, both were switched when they were 2-3 months old. Both are doing fantastic, thriving, in fact...healthy coats, perfect weights, barely any shedding (even from the cat), small, nonsmelly stools, lots of energy, and sparkling white teeth. Dog went to the vet the other day and the vet was very pleased.
I feed meat from the grocery store, venison that has been frozen for at least three weeks, and also order online from raw dog food companies. I order from We Feed Raw to add variety that the grocery store does not have like tripe and organs. I also add veggies and a small amount of fruit, and will also add some things that we are eating like unseasoned eggs, rice, and oatmeal...rarely. For supplements, the dog gets Nupro dog supplement (has ingredients like kelp and flaxseed) and both dog and cat get coconut oil and salmon oil for omega 3’s.
Yes, I suppose there is a risk but dogs and cats are designed to eat these foods, they have short digestive tacks and teeth meant to tear flesh. There may be a risk, but in my opinion there is a smaller risk for my dog to get salmonella when eating raw, and a much larger risk for my dog to eat kibble and lose out on key nutrients because of it. It really is just a sole opinion...mine is that raw is helping my pets thrive, and I will never feed them a processed food. Totally respect other opinions though.
If you do decide to go raw...do lots of research...I’ll link a site that really helped me. There are calculators that will give you exactly how much of what you should feed.
https://perfectlyrawsome.com
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The veterinary behaviorist that saw my dog also told me that certain meats especially raw increase aggression in dogs.
But salmonella and e coli to the pets and humans in the households are the biggest risk. Puppies don't have fully developed immune systems and can't fight off bacteria and infections as well.

My dog finally has a beautiful healthy glossy coat and normal healthy poops just from feeding him better quality food that he's not allergic to and has better ingredients. Dog food, mix of canned and dry.
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On another note, is there any chance you could delay getting your puppy until at least eight weeks? Leaving the litter at 6 is very young and, I understand, means they are more likely to be prone to a number of behavioural issues.


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On another note, is there any chance you could delay getting your puppy until at least eight weeks? Leaving the litter at 6 is very young and, I understand, means they are more likely to be prone to a number of behavioural issues.


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Yes, thank you for the advice I will try and see if that is okay with our breeder.
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I will consider everything that everyone is saying and now I think if I do decide to go raw then I will most likely cook it while they are a puppy. And while, yes, animals on processed foods can live quite a while, kibble increases the chance of things like cancer, Yes they can live long and get cancer in the end but they could live longer and healthier and end with something unavoidable. And, yes, dogs on raw can still get cancer it can significantly lower the chances. I do know that pets on processed food can be perfectly healthy but in my opinion they are ancestors of wolves and should eat in a similar fashion. Not saying that anyone else's opinion is wrong but everyone is allowed to think as they please and have different beliefs. I think that I will still feed fresh (Maybe cooked) and not kibble or store bought food but I will be sure to go through necessary measures to ensure it is safe.
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