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Old 01-26-2017, 12:23 PM
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Puppy vomiting but otherwise normal

Hello everyone!

First I wanted to say that I'm not looking for a diagnosis, just maybe some ideas or experiences of other people. We are seeing a vet, but she has us in the "wait and see" phase right now. Sorry in advance for the long post, but I wanted to establish a timeline.

So I have a seven month old 50lb puppy, Midna. She has been on fromm puppy and zignature since we adopted her. I have always followed the feeding directions for her age and weight. About a month ago she started vomiting undigested kibble about ten hours after eating. It wasn't every day, but it was several times a week when she had previously never done it. So I took her into the vet and she did X-rays. She told me that the stomach seemed very full, which could indicate something like cloth in addition to her food, or that food was just sitting in her stomach. She had me skip her dinner and breakfast and come back in for fasting x-rays the next day. She said that it still looked as though she had a considerable amount of either food or an object in her stomach.

She had me put her on chicken and rice for one week with instructions to call her immediately if she vomited again. Four days in she did, and again it was undigested about ten hours after eating. So we fasted her again and took her back in for X-rays. This time the X-rays were normal, but we decided to go ahead and do a barium series. That came up normal too. She gave us a dewormer in case it was parasites, and we were instructed to continue the bland diet and wait and see what happens. Our vet has two theories right now.

1. A blockage. I know dogs are good at getting into things they shouldn't, but Midna is either crated or with me, and my house is pretty bare and picked up. I would be very surprised if she had gotten a hold of anything.
2. Some kind of condition like IBS.

She says in either case the next step would be exploratory surgery to check for a blockage and do biopsies from her stomach and intestines. She isn't ready to do this yet and neither am I.

So I guess I'm looking to see if anyone else has experienced something similar? Did you figure out what it was?

Besides the vomiting, she seems perfectly fine. Same energy, same appetite, very regular, and doesn't seem to be in any pain.

Thanks for sticking with the long post, and thanks in advance for any responses. I just want what's best for my baby girl.
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How does her stool look?

Is she always hungry?

Is she losing weight despite eating?

Does her belly make rumbling and grumbling sounds?
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Puppy vomiting but otherwise normal

Thanks for the reply! Prior to the bland diet her stool was normal. She is very regular and it was firm. Now on the rice and chicken it's not as regular and is sometimes a little soft.

She always gets excited at dinner time but other than that she doesn't do anything that makes me think she's hungry.

No stomach sounds and no weight loss.
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Thanks for the reply! Prior to the bland diet her stool was normal. She is very regular and it was firm. Now on the rice and chicken it's not as regular and is sometimes a little soft.

She always gets excited at dinner time but other than that she doesn't do anything that makes me think she's hungry.

No stomach sounds and no weight loss.

I was thinking EPI, which is when the dog doesn't produce a necessary enzyme to digest it's food, but it does not sound like she has any of the other major symptoms.

My boy could not handle chicken and rice, he's sensitive to chicken and would end up with soft stool, and he also would skip a day or two of bowel movements. Have you tried switching to lean ground beef and rice and see if it helps with the bowel movements? It's what I have to use when my boy has an upset tummy.

Other then that I"m out of guesses on what it could be since your vet says an x-ray shows her stomach is full. I've had dogs regurgitate, one did so every few months, but it was not often enough that it concerned me.

I did find an article that may help you.
Vomiting and Regurgitating in Dogs: Know the Differences - Pet Food Diva
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Thank you for the article, I'll do some research on those conditions listed. After reading their description of vomiting vs regurgitating I'm fairly certain she has never regurgitated. Always vomited. Her last x-rays when she had been on the bland diet looked normal, and her stomach was not full.

We switched her over to ground turkey and rice last night at the recommendation of a friend who has a foster with a chicken intolerance. There is also chicken in the fromm she eats. But I wasn't sure if an intolerance would cause just vomiting and not other symptoms. On her normal kibble she typically has pretty firm stool and is very regular. But on just the chicken and rice she has skipped a few bowel movements in addition to being soft.

While I really like my vet, I don't know if nutrition is her forte... So I'm not sure if she would talk about this as a possibility with me. I've disagreed with her in the past on my cats' diets.

At this point she hasn't vomited since Monday morning. I hope we keep it that way!
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We discovered with Samantha, that feeding her smaller quantities of food more often works much better with her 'sensitive' digestive system. She gets a small breakfast, larger mid-day meal, and snacks at dinner time. She used to throw-up several times a week, but hardly ever since we started feeding her this way.
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Thank you for the article, I'll do some research on those conditions listed. After reading their description of vomiting vs regurgitating I'm fairly certain she has never regurgitated. Always vomited. Her last x-rays when she had been on the bland diet looked normal, and her stomach was not full.

We switched her over to ground turkey and rice last night at the recommendation of a friend who has a foster with a chicken intolerance. There is also chicken in the fromm she eats. But I wasn't sure if an intolerance would cause just vomiting and not other symptoms. On her normal kibble she typically has pretty firm stool and is very regular. But on just the chicken and rice she has skipped a few bowel movements in addition to being soft.

While I really like my vet, I don't know if nutrition is her forte... So I'm not sure if she would talk about this as a possibility with me. I've disagreed with her in the past on my cats' diets.

At this point she hasn't vomited since Monday morning. I hope we keep it that way!

Ahh then if she's vomiting that's a whole different thing and ties more in to a food intolerance. With food intolerance it usually shows up as digestive upsets, sort of like a human with lactose intolerance, and can cause vomiting. I've also learned that they can have some strange symptoms that are not usually listed. If I give my boy just a little bit of chicken, not enough to cause the digestive upset, it seems to affect his anal glands and he'll start butt scooting. It took a long time for me to see the connection!

I'm glad you are looking into everything, and triple checking before exploratory surgery is done. If nothing else look into getting a second opinion, I've had to do that in the past and it was well worth it.

I do know what you mean about a vet not being knowledgeable about nutrition, one of the things that made me switch vets, sort of the straw that broke the camels back, was when my vet insisted that it was my boys anal glands causing all his problems (It was a pinched nerve in his back) that he needed more fiber in his diet, and he needed to lose weight, so I must feed him Science Diet W/D. When I told him my boy was sensitive to chicken he did not care... The food is mainly filler, very little meat, and I was supposed to feed it to my boy for the rest of his life. Uhh, nope. I kept him on his Fromm, added oat bran to his diet, and cut back on the amount I fed, and on his treats. He's lost weight and been doing great, we now go to a different vet.
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Thanks again for the advice! I thought I would give a little update. Last day she vomited was 1/23. On 1/25 we went to ground turkey and rice. I'm transitioning her over to zignature turkey, which she has eaten in the past. We also got the lamb. So far so good! Keeping my fingers crossed that she does better on it.

Unfortunately, when she was on the dewormer I think it was bothering her stomach and making her want to move around a lot. She's always been great about being crated while I'm at work, but on the dewormer she seemed to be having some anxiety. I always come home to play with her for an hour in the middle of the day, or go for a walk, so she had only been crated three and a half hours, but I came home and she had rubbed the top of her nose raw and bloody chewing on the door bars. My husband is now taking her to work with him, but I'm not sure what else to do. I read Neosporin is ok if you can keep them from licking it off, but being on her nose I know she will lick. It makes me nervous anyways. I did order some vetericyn and it should arrive tomorrow. He can't keep taking her though, he has some construction site visits later this week, and I can't take her to work either. Should she be ok to be crated again after a few days letting her nose heal some? She's never done this before, and I'm hoping that she's calmed down after finishing the dewormer. But I don't want her to open it up again.

Meeting a new vet for my ferret today, and if I like her I may switch. It's within walking distance to my house, so I'm hoping she works out.
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I'm so glad that she's doing better! Hopefully she's turned the corner and will have no more tummy troubles.

If you want to try crating her I'd do a trail run, of maybe 30 minutes tops, to see how she does in the crate. It might have been that she was not feeling good and crating her was making her even more anxious, so the anxiety in the crate is temporary. If she's good for 30 minutes try it for a bit longer the next day and see how she does, hopefully that will tell you that she's safe to leave crated for the day. The alternatives would be to puppy proof one room and put her in there for the day, or leaving her loose in the house, if you do the later set up a camera to record her behavior and do a trial run, again of 30 minutes tops but you may want to make it a lot shorter since your belongs will be at risk, to see how she's doing and if she's scouting out stuff to get into.
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Her nose seems mostly healed now, but I'm still treating it to be safe. We have gone back to crating normally and she seems to be doing well. I make her frozen kong treats to try and keep her occupied. We've been on turkey for two weeks with no vomiting, so I'm hoping we've found the cause!
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