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Old 10-03-2017, 10:18 PM
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Puppy rescue

On Monday night, we had torrential downpours for hours without slowing down. Earlier that day we found 12 Newfoundland puppies in an outdoor chain link fenced area, no bigger than probably a 6x6 pen with little to no shelter. I was worried about them to begin with, considering that they seemed far too young to be away from their mother (at most 5 weeks) and had no available food, water, or shelter from the rain. So at around 12:00 at night I decided to run over and pick the puppies up to get them safe. Their "home" was flooding and all of them were trembling, soaked to the bone and freezing. I was worried that they would either drown or get seriously hurt or sick, so I picked them up. After we got them home, I instanly fell in love with every single one of them. We got in touch with their owners and let them know that i had taken them and told them about the conditions of their living area, and they seemed not to care about anything I said. We had to bring them back to their owners yesterday, which absolutely broke my heart. They requested to have them back, and since they're not ours, there wasn't much we could do. We tried to keep them for longer but they wanted them back. We asked the owners if they were for sale, and he said that they are, and Id buy one in a heartbeat but I'm concerned about my other dog. I have a 10 year old beagle that isn't fond other dogs, especially when they're in his house. He's very sensitive when it comes to not getting all of the attention lol. I want to look into buying one of the puppies, but would it effect him? I've wanted a new dog for the longest time and this is the perfect opportunity, but my current dog is my priority and I don't want to make the wrong decision and have him upset. Part of me thinks that he would eventually get used to having a little brother or sister, but I don't want to take the chance of him not getting over it and having two unhappy dogs in my house. I want to do what's best for both of them, but I'm not sure what that would be. I know what I want, but I don't want to put my heart before my knowledge. I have all of the means to take in a puppy and im well prepared for the responsibility. The only problem is that I don't want to break my beagles spirit or send him into a depression. Any advice?
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I can completely understand your dilemma. How did your Beagle react the little while the puppies were with you? I mean initially he will off course have his nose out of joint because of it. but did it look like there was hope?
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Im new to the forums and i don't know how to tag people, but he was really upset with us for a day or two but he's back to normal now. That could also be becase there were a dozen babies in the patio and they were getting more attention than he was. I think it would be different with just one.
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Im new to the forums and i don't know how to tag people, but he was really upset with us for a day or two but he's back to normal now. That could also be becase there were a dozen babies in the patio and they were getting more attention than he was. I think it would be different with just one.

yes I agree that he might look differently on one puppy vs 12 puppies . It would be ideal if you could "borrow" a pup from someone for a day or two to test it. is that possible?
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yes I agree that he might look differently on one puppy vs 12 puppies . It would be ideal if you could "borrow" a pup from someone for a day or two to test it. is that possible?
I was going to ask the owners If I could do that. I want to see about taking one in for a day this weekend. I think he would do a lot better with just one puppy and evened out attention.
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This may not be a popular opinion, but personally, I'd reconsider purchasing one of those puppies, or at least think long and hard about the ramifications. The owner of those puppies sounds like a back yard breeder and one that really doesn't care about the well being of the dogs. As much as I'd feel sorry for those puppies were I in your shoes, and would want to "rescue" at least one, I very much would not want to give my hard earned money to someone like that and encourage them to continue bringing more abused and neglected puppies into the world and selling them for profit.

Perhaps a comparable analogy would be pet store puppies. It may be tempting to "rescue" a puppy from living in a small cage in a pet store, especially if you're aware that it came from a deplorable puppy mill life before that and you figure if you don't buy it, someone else will, but buying a puppy from a pet store is supporting those same puppy mills and contributing to the problem.

Since it sounds like the puppies aren't being well taken care of, I'd report the matter to animal control or other appropriate authority. Now, if animal control seizes the puppies and they become available for adoption through a local shelter or rescue, that's different in my mind since my money would then be going to a much more worthy cause: the proper care of those puppies as well as enabling the facility to help more animals in need in the future.

@Allyrighi, I can't say how will your beagle will handle a new puppy in the household and I don't have any first hand experience with multi-dog households, myself. I'm not sure how old 10 is for a beagle, but there can sometimes be some culture shock for an old dog when an active puppy joins the family. Puppy wants to playplayplay and old dog just wants to be left alone. Puppy doesn't understand why old dog won't play and keeps reprimanding him, and old dog gets frustrated with the li'l one's antics. You might need to set firm boundaries so that old dog has a place to go where the little one can't bother him, and little one needs to learn to respect old dog's personal space. On the other hand, 10 might still be fairly young and lively for a beagle, in which case he may be perfectly content to have an active play mate. You'll also, of course, need to make sure both dogs get equal and individual attention and interaction with the human members of the home.

You're the best judge of how a new puppy will affect your current dog, and I think there's a big different from a puppy visiting for a day and a puppy coming to stay and never leaving. I wish you much luck in your decision and encourage you to seek out local shelters and rescues if you decide you and your current dog are ready for a new puppy. Welcome to the forum!
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Take pictures of the puppies living conditions and contact USDA. See with new laws in place on breeding and dealing puppies the puppies must be in ideal living conditions. Did you happen to see how many other dogs the owner had?? If there are more then 4 bitches he has to be licensed and if he is a dealer which means he just sells the puppies for people the puppies shouldn't have been outside in that type of weather condition. :-):-)
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This may not be a popular opinion, but personally, I'd reconsider purchasing one of those puppies, or at least think long and hard about the ramifications. The owner of those puppies sounds like a back yard breeder and one that really doesn't care about the well being of the dogs. As much as I'd feel sorry for those puppies were I in your shoes, and would want to "rescue" at least one, I very much would not want to give my hard earned money to someone like that and encourage them to continue bringing more abused and neglected puppies into the world and selling them for profit.

Perhaps a comparable analogy would be pet store puppies. It may be tempting to "rescue" a puppy from living in a small cage in a pet store, especially if you're aware that it came from a deplorable puppy mill life before that and you figure if you don't buy it, someone else will, but buying a puppy from a pet store is supporting those same puppy mills and contributing to the problem.

Since it sounds like the puppies aren't being well taken care of, I'd report the matter to animal control or other appropriate authority. Now, if animal control seizes the puppies and they become available for adoption through a local shelter or rescue, that's different in my mind since my money would then be going to a much more worthy cause: the proper care of those puppies as well as enabling the facility to help more animals in need in the future.

@Allyrighi, I can't say how will your beagle will handle a new puppy in the household and I don't have any first hand experience with multi-dog households, myself. I'm not sure how old 10 is for a beagle, but there can sometimes be some culture shock for an old dog when an active puppy joins the family. Puppy wants to playplayplay and old dog just wants to be left alone. Puppy doesn't understand why old dog won't play and keeps reprimanding him, and old dog gets frustrated with the li'l one's antics. You might need to set firm boundaries so that old dog has a place to go where the little one can't bother him, and little one needs to learn to respect old dog's personal space. On the other hand, 10 might still be fairly young and lively for a beagle, in which case he may be perfectly content to have an active play mate. You'll also, of course, need to make sure both dogs get equal and individual attention and interaction with the human members of the home.

You're the best judge of how a new puppy will affect your current dog, and I think there's a big different from a puppy visiting for a day and a puppy coming to stay and never leaving. I wish you much luck in your decision and encourage you to seek out local shelters and rescues if you decide you and your current dog are ready for a new puppy. Welcome to the forum!
10 is fairly young for a beagle. He doesn't like other dogs, but I think we treat him too well for him to be mad at us forever lol. I have been thinking about what you said about the shelter, but it's a tough decision. Another one of the hard points is that their owner is my bosses daughter. If I do decide to get one, I probably wouldn't pay for it. I would just work a little overtime and work their cost off. The puppies are pretty laid back for their age and the puppy and my dog probably wouldn't be left alone in the same room until we were sure that they were okay with eachother. Thank you for the help
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Take pictures of the puppies living conditions and contact USDA. See with new laws in place on breeding and dealing puppies the puppies must be in ideal living conditions. Did you happen to see how many other dogs the owner had?? If there are more then 4 bitches he has to be licensed and if he is a dealer which means he just sells the puppies for people the puppies shouldn't have been outside in that type of weather condition. :-):-)
I know that they have 4 dogs other than the puppies but I'm not sure what their sexes are. I know that they have one female and one male, but I'm not too sure about what the other two are. I know for a fact that these people are not liscenced breeders.
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Another one of the hard points is that their owner is my bosses daughter. If I do decide to get one, I probably wouldn't pay for it. I would just work a little overtime and work their cost off.
That's still paying for it, just in a way that the money you are earning for your overtime work goes directly to the breeder rather than into your pocket first. The fact that the breeder is your bosses daughter could also cause problems down the road if the puppy ends up having severe behavior or health problems in the future because I'm sure the breeder isn't maintaining records on temperament and hasn't done any of the necessary genetic testing. I know I'd have trouble not feeling animosity towards a breeder if my dog ended up having serious health problems that could have been easily prevented by responsible breeding. It wouldn't affect my love for the dog, but it would affect my relationship with the breeder & the person who recommended the breeder to me.

Also, Newfies are a giant breed and that may be something else to take into consideration regarding how well your current dog will adapt to his new housemate. The pup won't stay puppy sized for long.

Just food for thought.
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