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Old 08-10-2017, 07:47 PM
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Need to know what all you Dog Mom/Dads have done to care for your babies, I'm extremely upset and of course expecting the worse. I have a Vicks hot steam vaporizer, I bought an immune system supplement and I'm giving her the medicine from the vet. Any advice would be greatly appreciated Thank you!!!

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Old 08-10-2017, 11:41 PM
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Tracheal collapse is an extremely common diagnosis with smaller breed dogs and can vary from very mild (almost no symptoms) to severe (unable to move about without going into a coughing fit). Where does you puppy lie? Is the medication a cough suppressant? As that is about the only medication that reliably helps out with this condition, and certainly is not a cure or even adequate in some severe cases. But short of a very complicated surgery, treatment options for tracheal collapse are limited. Some pharmacies have concocted a formula called 'tracheal collapse formula' which has some phenobarbital in it and a variety of other ingredients... seems to help sometimes. But otherwise, only narcotic meds (hydrocodone or Lomotil (Diphenoxylate) seem to help much. Not sure immune support would help at all as this is not an immune system related problem... it is a physical abnormality.
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Old 08-11-2017, 10:12 AM
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My understanding of that corrective surgery, is that a successful outcome is uncertain. We have a friend that had a Pomeranian that had a collapsed trachea. She lived a long time with it, but had to have her activity limited, as any excitement would trigger a severe coughing episode. She lived a good five years with the collapsed trachea, but at age 13 had a stroke and did not survive.
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My boy has an extremely sensitive trachea and when I first got him he came with a collar, no harness, and I made the mistake of walking him using the collar. He very slightly pulled and coughed. I cut the walk short but it was too late. That night when I was playing with him he went into a coughing fit and could not stop, it must have lasted over 5 minutes and scared the heck out of me. He kept coughing like that every couple of days, usually after or while playing.

What I did to help was to first look for a no choke harness. I found out that most do not work for him, they ride to high on his chest and manage to press his trachea if he pulls, and just that slight pressure aggravates his trachea. After over a year of seaching and wasted money (my dog does not fit into 99% of ready made harnesses) I have found that V neck harnesses work best for him, I ended up going with an etsy shop that will customize the fit. What's known as shoulder harnesses also worked for him but ended up pressing into his back and causing back problems. I highly recommend your finding a harness that your dog has to pull like a sled dog pulling a sled by herself before she chokes and even then she rarely chokes pulling like that. I say that because that's what I had to do before my boy stopped going into coughing fits, before that while he didn't do so as frequently he still coughed, now he rarely does so.

When your girl goes into a coughing fit try to keep her calm, my boy used to start tensing up and getting upset and that made it last longer. I'd try distracting him with a spoon full of plain yogurt, that served to purposes, he would relax a bit, and sometimes getting him to swallow would help with the collapse. Fair warning though, if you try the yogurt trick and it does not work your dog will cough up the yogurt and it's rather messy.

Be careful playing with your dog. My boy is a Chi x Dach who loves to wrestle with a toy held in my had, problem is if the toy is large enough he'll sometimes press his neck on it and it aggravates his trachea which causes him to go into a coughing fit. That's what happened last week and it took a day or two to settle back down.

Good luck to your and your girl! Hopefully your girls is only moderate like my boy's is and she'll do as well as my boy has.
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Old 08-11-2017, 01:17 PM
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My sisters Pom Nemo has a trachea collapse(she's had him for almost 12 years now so guessing he is around 14-15 years old)..diagnosed in 2012..its been over 5 years and now we see the effects of it..heart disease, pulmonary hypertension..now he has pneumonia(Small case) but its hard to get rid of so he's on hydrocodone for the cough(Which makes his tummy not feel good) and a new antibiotic that might help the pneumonia go away(In combo with the augmentin type med he is currently on) its just hard..everything started with the trachea and eventually worked its way down..so many regrets, regret not having him on a harness from the beginning before the diagnosis..regret not getting him checked to see his lung function(Would have prevented his heart from becoming damaged) if I were to give you any advice it would be to get a cardiologist for your pup, get him checked periodically check for hypertension, check for a heart murmur..be aware of ANY changes in your pup, tiredness, etc..if something seems off, go to the Vet..dont make the same mistakes we did..I wish you good luck..really wish they could find a cure for this horrible thing without that surgery which I hear is just horrible and not even effective
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Thank you all! I definitely feel more optimistic after these post, and the medication is Temarilp. The Immune supplement is an herbal green alternative, something I read another pet owner in the same situation on a website gives her small dog. Just trying anything I can. And the vet said she is moderate she has a lot of coughing and reverse seeing fits she also is easily winded and pants after a brief jog from the couch the kitchen
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(Lakerfanalways ) I will definitely speak to my vet about the issue's you brought up! Thank you for takingetting the time answer me It's rough when your animals are sick you feel helpless
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ChipomMom Im glad to help..unfortunately we have to learn from our mistakes..even the ones that Vets make you have to sometimes be your own Vet..be on the lookout for anything out of the ordinary..use a humidifier to help your pup if he coughs, it will help..no reason to go the cough suppressant route unless the cough is bad..use a harness no leash around the neck their trachea is already sensitive. Takes her for walks everyday if you can, its good for the heart and lungs..get a cardiologist recommended to you by your Vet..have her lung function tested(Maybe once a year whatever the doc thinks is best) check for heart murmur, etc..regular vets dont know this stuff that is why you need a cardiologist to give you advice. It took our lil guy over 5 years to get real bad..the cough started out as a simple annoying cough once in a while, but it progressed to what it is now..I wish your pup the best of luck..when I hear about the trachea I think of Nemo, what could have been if we could turn back time and have a do-over
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Thank you all! I definitely feel more optimistic after these post, and the medication is Temarilp. The Immune supplement is an herbal green alternative, something I read another pet owner in the same situation on a website gives her small dog. Just trying anything I can. And the vet said she is moderate she has a lot of coughing and reverse seeing fits she also is easily winded and pants after a brief jog from the couch the kitchen
I'm glad it's moderate and not severe. I can't stress enough about keeping anything from hitting her throat.

UGH Temaril P? That's bad, that contains Prednisone, a steroid. I've had Zody on it for allergies and it made him very lethargic and like a shell of a dog, I've since switched to Apoquel. Here's something from an article I found on the use of Prednisone for collapsed trachea... "Corticosteroids such as Prednisone can work to reduce mucus secretion and control inflammation. However, this is usually a short term treatment, as long term use of corticosteroids can further weaken the trachea." https://www.petcarerx.com/article/wh...-and-cats/2748 Here's a link that contains the side effects, Zody's main ones were lethargy and increased appetite. https://www.drugs.com/vet/temaril-p-tablets.html Is there another medicine that y'all can try or is the use of Temaril P for a set amount of time?

Zody didn't get any better until I found a harness that didn't hit his throat, he rarely coughs now BUT any pressure on his throat aggravates the collapse and will cause coughing fits later in the day.
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I'm glad it's moderate and not severe. I can't stress enough about keeping anything from hitting her throat.

UGH Temaril P? That's bad, that contains Prednisone, a steroid. I've had Zody on it for allergies and it made him very lethargic and like a shell of a dog, I've since switched to Apoquel. Here's something from an article I found on the use of Prednisone for collapsed trachea... "Corticosteroids such as Prednisone can work to reduce mucus secretion and control inflammation. However, this is usually a short term treatment, as long term use of corticosteroids can further weaken the trachea." https://www.petcarerx.com/article/wh...-and-cats/2748 Here's a link that contains the side effects, Zody's main ones were lethargy and increased appetite. https://www.drugs.com/vet/temaril-p-tablets.html Is there another medicine that y'all can try or is the use of Temaril P for a set amount of time?

Zody didn't get any better until I found a harness that didn't hit his throat, he rarely coughs now BUT any pressure on his throat aggravates the collapse and will cause coughing fits later in the day.
Our little guy is on a hydrocodone drug, not sure what will have to ask my sis it helps Nemo not cough so much(He has pneumonia right now but knock on wood the combo of meds is helping slightly so far) from what his cardiologist said, steroids are NOT good if the dog has a lung condition(With Nemo's trachea collapse, instead of doing damage to his heart, it caused him to get a lung disease, which no one detected since you cant see it on xray) he had a steroid injection back in February to treat stomach inflammation which is the normal treatment..they think the steroid injection made his lung disease really stand out and go out of control which caused him to get fluid in the lungs in late March and thus why he has pulmonary hypertension..Usually dogs with trachea collapse get heart failure down the road, not hypertension, so of course this is a rare case..really wish they would find a cure for this..I always hear about how they do research, but nothing about fixing the trachea..so many dogs suffer from this horrible disease..it would be great to find a cure, so dogs wouldnt have to suffer from this anymore
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