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Old 05-15-2019, 04:48 AM
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Partial Spay: Ovariectomy

A miracle has happened right here on Earth: I actually found a holistic vet within reasonable driving distance who can do a partial spay. Although I am sad that my 8 month old still has to lose her ovaries, I do understand the scientific and objective reasons why that is necessary for her to keep her uterus without any risk of pyometra.

I'm thrilled and I don't care if it's more expensive; it's a small price to pay for the public health benefit of more experience for the vet and another warm body to be a statistic and make word-of-mouth recommendations.

Of course I'm going to do as much damage control as I can and treasure this brief butt-sniffing, marking, arm-humping season of my intact bitch's life before I have to neuter her. I'm interested in learning more about alternatives to the "cone of shame", the optimal timing after her first heat, and whether it is even worth dragging my heels on the financial end to buy her the time to have a second heat.

If there is any research on any sort of HRT for dogs to ease the hormonal crash at all, I would be interested in reading about it. It doesn't make me sad when I realize that I can't afford or access the best of the best or cutting edge care for Laurel. It makes makes me happy to know when others can and that knowledge is power to access the best care for Laurel that I reasonably can.

The holistic vet has actually been here for awhile and upgraded from a van to what look like a repurposed portable classroom. I drive right past it every day, I just didn't notice the small sign or think that our little rural county seat had the resources to support a holistic veterinary practice for pet dogs, cats, and rabbits, even one with no advertising budget and very low rent.

I guess I just wanted to share the good news.

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Old 05-15-2019, 06:54 AM
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I'm happy for you, my pretty. And your little dog, too.

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...I'm interested in learning more about alternatives to the "cone of shame"...
Try googling inflatable dog collars. I used one on my dog, Shadow, after he sustained a bite injury. It's an inner tube that fastens to your dog's collar and restricts how far she can turn her head. Doubles as a wearable pillow and there is less banging into stuff. It also eliminates the echo chamber/ sea shell/ white noise acoustics of the cones.

It might not work for your gal depending on where the stitches are located, but it's worth a look.
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I am going to learn more about the health advantages of delayed spay because that is just the way I fidget, so I thought I might share this:

https://time4dogs.blogspot.com/2010/...nd-neuter.html

Of course I find this research to be fascinating rather than tedious. I accept the fact that I do not have the resources to do everything I want to do with this dog. She does exhibit sexualized behaviours that would make many pet owners uncomfortable and this is an extremely personal decision, just as choosing a natural menopause and avoiding standard, routine but invasive procedure's on one's own female reproductive system is.

As I have mentioned before, my refusal to accept a doctor's orders to "just stop trying to vaccinate your children against whooping cough" has had a small but direct impact on moving medical science forward. My youngest received the same, much safer vaccine that everybody else his age did thanks to his older sibling and all the other test subjects whose parents wouldn't "just leave it alone".

I'll post updates if there is interest. Laurel could go in to heat at any time. I am prepared with cute, velcro-style reusable dog diapers (Mom used abusively small toddler's training pants with a hole cut out for the tail). I am aware that she will bleed for about a week, but it is the following week, when she stops bleeding, that we will not be leaving the house unless I need to crate her and run to the store for flour or something. The third week I will still need to keep her on leash, carry her to the car, and drive to the forest to make things less unpleasant for any neighbour dogs who might smell her.

She will also be grumpy and out of shape and need some compassion when it's over. IIRC, the best time to schedule gonadectomy is 22 weeks after the beginning of the first heat cycle.

I almost didn't even ask my new vet if she could do anything other than a complete ovariohysterectomy. I didn't get what I want, but I definitely want what I'm going to get. This is all new information and I am in a very economically depressed little Podunk town so perhaps your own vet might offer sterilization (lubal ligation or vasectomy) or an ovary-sparing spay if you are interested in those options.
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I had a beautiful cat who died a horrible death from mammary cancer due to being spayed in middle age. My Mom's cat. She used to go through awful heats every week or two and cry horribly. My male neutered cat was always so worried about her. No one slept . My mom refused to spay her no matter how the poor thing suffered.
I finally convinced her when the cat was older. She had such an awfully infected uterus she had to stay overnight, be on a few different antibiotics for three or four weeks, and painkillers and it was a miserable time. She had been a feral street kitten who was difficult to handle because my mom never tamed or trained her.
Guess who got to wear protective clothes including a face mask when she jumped right at my face twice a day to medicate her? And got scratched through oven mitts?
My mom died and I inherited her. Got her tamer, had her for five years. Then she got very winded from a simple nail trim. I thought I felt a couple of tiny lumps in her belly. Brought her in, mammary cancer spread to her lungs. For cats, if they go through three heat cycles the risk goes up exponentially.
I had two weeks with her feeding her treats and cuddling with her with a traveling hospice vet giving her pain and comfort meds. She couldn't handle any stress that would affect her breathing.
She was almost sixteen when she didn't want her favorite treats one day. I had her euthanized with her best buddy cat and my last dog with her in her favorite bed. She had no other health problems and could have lived to be twenty happy and coddled if not for the selfish decision to let her suffer with those awful heats in pain for years.
Women suffer with great pain from their menstrual cycles and many I know that have hysterectomies are very happy.

Even neutered male dogs can smell females just starting to go into heat and go crazy. My dog was neutered early and every time some idiot brings an adolescent or unspayed female into the dog park and he fixates on her and starts humping her nonstop, I ask and the answer is ALWAYS "oh she could be starting to go into heat, I don't really know".
When I first got him I brought him to the vet for some minor thing and he literally snapped a strong leash in two to get to a German Shepherd in the waiting room. Turns out she was in heat. Which he clearly knew and I didn't.

You have to keep her inside and completely away from other dogs the whole three weeks they're in heat.

Neutered males produce testosterone their whole lives, according to several vets I've talked to. My dog can certainly tell and reacts very strongly. He doesn't act neutered at all. I've taken him to be ultrasounded to make sure he was fully neutered and not a cryptorchid. They said he was and was in fact neutered early. That's when I was told neutered males still produce testosterone and just aren't fertile.

But after watching my beautiful cat suffer with those awful heats, the uterine infection and die from cancer that was completely preventable I'd never leave an animal of mine unspayed or unneutered. There's so many homeless dogs and cats killed daily that can be adopted or take in as strays that i wouldn't breed and want to prevent any cancers I could

So at least isolate her the whole time she's in heat to avoid torturing any neighborhood dogs.

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Female dogs in heat...keep the boys far, far away!

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I'll post updates if there is interest.

I am aware that she will bleed for about a week, but it is the following week, when she stops bleeding, that we will not be leaving the house unless I need to crate her and run to the store for flour or something.

The third week I will still need to keep her on leash, carry her to the car, and drive to the forest to make things less unpleasant for any neighbour dogs who might smell her.
I am interested in all this heat topic, so please keep posting your updates!

From all that I have studied (which is a lot, as usual because I, too, like to research and study) it seems the recommended time to keep female dogs in heat indoors and away from all male dogs is one month, or 4 weeks from start of heat cycle. Which can generally be recognized by the dog's incessant licking/ and swelling of the "girl parts" or vulva.

I was still a bit confused by all this even after studying so I asked a few local vets here and they all said to be safe to wait one month before taking a dog in heat out in public. Or maybe I was honestly just hoping a vet would tell me less time...lol.

As others here have said, male dogs can sniff out a dog in heat from a zillion miles away, jump their own fences, dig out of their yards, break leashes, etc to get to a female in heat. Crazy stuff.

Plus I read that male dogs can fight with each other to get to a female dog in heat. Yikes! Imagine two big dogs fighting and charging at my Puma pup....scary!!

Because of this, we waited one full (arghhh) month to take Puma pup out on walks. I certainly had no desire for a male dog to find us and then who-knows-what? No thank, no way. A month is a reaaaallllly long time to wait, but so much better than any other consequences, right?

I take no chances with my dogs, or the safety of other people's dogs, for that matter.

Anyway, please do keep us updated. Knowledge is indeed power!

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I am interested in all this heat topic, so please keep posting your updates!
I will, then.

I was hoping to stay away from controversial topics, but maybe next lifetime, lol.

Do keep in mind that Laurel is much tinier than Puma and I do have lived experience, even though nobody remembers their childhood perfectly and of course I am prepared to isolate Laurel completely for a full month. So many stars had to align in just the right way for me to be able to do this.

@Monster Much respect. I wish I were prepared to follow in your footsteps without having to reinvent the wheel. We have local issues with the gentrification of dog ownership. I will have to leave the activism to those with better people skills who are better able to present as college educated professional homeowners.

Unfortunately, an ovarectomy will not reduce Laurel's 61% chance of spay incontinence even down to my own postmenopausal risk of becoming a loyal customer of the Depends disposable adult diaper corporation since that is a function of estrogen. I don't remember if it is someone on this board or another board who was able to get just a hysterectomy.

That would require a lot more trust in the vet, since there would still be a risk of stump pyometra. The dog would still have her normal endocrine balance and her normal cycles. No vet would want to go to all the trouble of such an experimental surgery for an unknown dog owner who might come back a year later complaining about the nuisance of the bitch's reproductive cycle.

It would also be a bit much for a shy, elderly, low-income female to handle the nasty comments afk if my puppy were a dog, and therefore visibly intact, rather than a bitch who can just not be around during her cycles.

None of us want unplanned pregnancies, we just want healthy dogs and better options for managing their normal biological functions.

Sure, you (wealthier people in power) could have ripped out my own ovaries or chopped off my sons' balls before we were allowed to go to kindergarten. We wouldn't have missed them. We probably would have been more obedient workers and loyal coca cola consumers. I'd most likely have died of "(un)natural causes) before I ever developed enough of a mind of my own to discuss controversial topics on the internet, lol.
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