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Old 10-14-2017, 04:10 AM
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Odd behaviour after spay

We had our Shih-Tzu, Mitzy, spayed 4 days ago and she is behaving oddly. She seems to think one of her squeaky toys is a pup. She carries it in her mouth everywhere she goes and is distressed when she can't find it. She also whimpers as shes carries it as if looking for a safe place to go with it. She cuddles with it constantly. She is 15 months old and has had two seasons prior to her getting spayed. Any help and advice would be greatly appreciated...

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Could be as simple as she still doesn't feel very good and finds some level of comfort from that toy. Give it some time, and see how she behaves in another 5 to 7 days or so. As long as she doesn't seem to be in pain, and there is no sign of infection, she should be ok, but a visit to the Vet might reassure you.
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It's very common. When an adult dog is spayed, she goes through a rapid change in her hormone levels, very similar to the hormonal changes in the pregnancy/birth process. We once had a collie who started nesting with all her toys after being spayed.

This behavior should resolve itself in a day or two. In the meantime, enjoy the experience.
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Spaying is messing with hormones, so it's probably normal. I would give it some time and let it pass. I, personally no longer spay or neuter. Too many health benefits to leaving them intact, vs not. But I will say, if it's going to be done you did it at the right time. It's best to let them have two heats, and grow to full maturity. Otherwise you would be removing important hormones needed for growth.
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Lightbulb Every estrus = increased risk of mammary tumors / breast cancer

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... It's best to let [bitches] have two heats, and grow to full maturity [before spaying them].
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actually, vets recommend that unless a F is a potential dam, she be spayed B4 her 1st estrus - meaning between 4 & 6-MO, depending upon her size / wt.

This is because mammary cancer is 4X as common in F dogs as it is in F humans, & almost 7 dogs in 10 [68%] are euthanized at the same vet-appt when they are diagnosed -
by the time they have symptoms & the owner brings them to the vet, the cancer has metastasized to their lungs, & no effective treatment is possible.

Spay B4 1st estrus reduces the risk of mammary cancer by 99.5%. (0.5% percent risk = 0.5/100 = 0.005, or 5 dogs in 1,000.)
Spay after 1 estrus increases her risk by over 700% - as it's 8% for dogs spayed after 1 heat; the risk zooms to 26% in dogs spayed after their second estrus.

Toy-sized dogs can be desexed by 4 to 5-mos, as they might come into heat if U wait until they are 6-MO.
Dogs who will be giant-sized adults might have a 1st heat at 9-MO, but since it's impossible to predict that without pretty extensive tests, i'd still desex her by 6 to 7-MO.

Any healthy pup or kitten can be desexed as soon as they reach 2# in weight - as a matter of fact, pediatric desex is faster, they're under GA for a shorter time, they bleed less, they scar less [internally - we're not talking cosmetics, but risk], plus, pups or kittens desexed early heal faster, with fewer complications of all kinds.
They get fewer infections, they're up & eating within hours, playing, & they rarely need any pain-meds.

Pediatric desex [done B4 the pup or kitten is 12-WO / 3-MO] is now the shelter standard in the US, Aus, & N.Z.
The UK is a little behind; there, many cat breeders patronize vets who will S/N a whole litter, but they often snip them at 12-WO to 16-WO; here in the U-S, if the kitten weighs 2#, they can be done immediately, & very safely, indeed.

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Spaying/neutering in general, and before 6months, or before the second heat invreases lots of health risks, vs. not. Spaying/neutering
1) increases bone cancer risk
2) increases risk of cardiac problems
3) the risk of hypothyroidism triples
4) risk of obesity increases
5) risk of prostate cancer more than doubles
6) risk of orthopedic problems increases
7) risk of urinary incontinance increases by 20% in females
8) UTIs increase
9) done before 6 months increases behavior issues
10) spaying before the 2nd heat, removes needed hormones for proper growth.

Probably more I'm missing, just can't think of them.

On the other hand, of course spay/neuter DOES decrease certain cancer risks, but cancer can't develop in an organ that isn't there.
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Question Good heavens. // Got a source for that list, that isn't named 'Zink'?



to respond to ONE of that list of apparently everything-but-the-heartbreak-of-psoriasis "side effects of spaying" -

if the 90-days after estrus twice annually* are the periods when UTI risk is greatest for any intact-F,
how in the name of Wonder Woman does spaying a F dog increase the risk of UTIs??? -
as the dog now does not enter estrus,
how is her risk -Higher- than when she was intact, having 2 heats per year??

* primitive breeds excepted - bitches of primitive breeds have only 1 heat annually.


if Ur source is indeed Zink's article, which BTW is even titled, "One Veterinarian's Opinion", not "Accurate Facts re S/N", i have a better reference to offer:

http://www.sheltermedicine.com/docum...20rebuttal.doc

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You may have to put in what you are looking for in the search bar on the sites. Also I'm pretty sure you can just google for more info to answer your question. Two of my females who are both spayed have had UTIs. Ones 4, and she's only had one, the other is 9 and has had several UTIs over the last couple of years. My other females, not spayed never have.
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Hers a couple more..
http://vetinfo.com/dog-urinary-problems.html

http://vetinfo.com/vets/.../incontin...r-being-spayed
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Arrow post-estrus, infection risks are greatly higher

NFD,
that's a sample-size of 2 dogs. // Any vet, if questioned, will tell the owner of an intact F that the likelihood of both UTIs and pyometra soar, during & after each heat.

UTIs are more common in bitches as well as in F humans due to anatomy -
the urethra is not far from the anus, & bacteria can move from one to the other.
Bitches do a lot more self-grooming when in heat - ergo, a lot more saliva & bacteria is being moved around, & cleaning her vulva a dozen or more times a day greatly increases the odds for an infection.

Pyo is especially scary, as it's potentially fatal - closed Pyos have few symptoms, there's no discharge, & the dog's uterine walls thin as the bacteria explode in popn; the uterus becomes a fragile bag of highly-infectious pus.
This "friable" tissue makes emergency surgery even-more dangerous.

My intact-F Akita had a closed Pyo at just 13-MO, 5-weeks after her 2nd estrus, & had 2 UTIs in her short 4.5-year lifetime, both within 3-weeks of a heat ending.
I was lucky, so was she - they were all caught early, & medication cleared them.

All vets will - or should! - caution owners of bitches that the period after each bi-annual estrus is one when U keep a close eye on her, for anything that might indicate she's not feeling chipper - off her food, less active, low-grade fever, excessive drinking of water, etc.

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