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Old 10-15-2015, 09:46 PM
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Honestly I'd start by removing the pears. Pears contain a lot of water, they might be making him feel more thirsty because of the sugar level, they're probably causing him to pee and poop more. The constant sugar is probably affecting his behavior.
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Ugh, just typed a whole update and it didnt save :-)
In short:
- all pear trees are cut down and gone
- Vet appt today for ears and remembered to bring in urine sample for follow up
- ears of course infected so received drops
- unexpected: crystals (and rods?) in urine which means def. UTI
- was put on antibiotics and special prescription food to get rid of crystals

Good thing:
He went from 22lbs last year to 17.3lbs just now at the vet (The vet tech said he is the skinniest pug she had ever seen..and he could still loose a couple if you ask me).
Caught the UTI early and are able to treat before it gets worse

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How can we prevent one? Would cranberry supplements help? The Vet said it might just be a pug thing as they are prone to bladder issues.
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Ugh, just typed a whole update and it didnt save :-)
In short:
- all pear trees are cut down and gone
- Vet appt today for ears and remembered to bring in urine sample for follow up
- ears of course infected so received drops
- unexpected: crystals (and rods?) in urine which means def. UTI
- was put on antibiotics and special prescription food to get rid of crystals

Good thing:
He went from 22lbs last year to 17.3lbs just now at the vet (The vet tech said he is the skinniest pug she had ever seen..and he could still loose a couple if you ask me).
Caught the UTI early and are able to treat before it gets worse

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How can we prevent one? Would cranberry supplements help? The Vet said it might just be a pug thing as they are prone to bladder issues.
Glad you got the pear trees taken care of! Also good you at least got an answer regarding the urination.

As for the crystals and how to prevent them, it depends on the type of crystals. Do you remember what they were? Struvite or Oxalate? It honestly could have been caused by the pears lol. Usually crystals form because the urine pH is not correct. Too acidic and you get oxalate crystals. Too alkaline and you get struvite. Urine pH is very much affected by diet, which is why you got a special food to help stabilize the pH and dissolve them.

My cat was hospitalized for several days with a urinary catheter because of struvite crystals. He was first put on Hill's c/d wet, which I used for several months. He's since been switched to a pray model raw diet, and he's had no recurring issues with his bladder. Raw is a lot more natural of a food source, naturally helps acidify the urine, and also upped his water intake which helps to keep the urinary tract healthy. I didn't need to add any additional supplements or anything. My dogs have all been on raw and none have had a UTI or bladder issues.

I'm not sure if you have one in your area, but try looking for an integrative veterinarian. These are certified and licensed veterinarians that use a combination of modern medicine as well as more holistic approaches when possible. Treatments like herbs, acupuncture, essential oils, diet changes etc. Have his records and results faxed to them. They should be able to help you figure out the right long term diet, including possible supplementations, to help prevent future bladder and u-tract issues.
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Thank you for your reply! I honestly do not remember what crystals they are but I will call them tomorrow and ask.

Could it still be the pears? He hasn't had one since last year? I dont even want to think about that he has been sick all this time without me realizing it. He didn't act any different this time around.

I will also check with the vet to see what she thinks about his food. I don't know if i want to go raw, I don't know much about it and therefore I assume its really messy, lots of work, and kind of expensive? Will look into it though because I had a feeling this might be a solution.
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Thank you for your reply! I honestly do not remember what crystals they are but I will call them tomorrow and ask.

Could it still be the pears? He hasn't had one since last year? I dont even want to think about that he has been sick all this time without me realizing it. He didn't act any different this time around.

I will also check with the vet to see what she thinks about his food. I don't know if i want to go raw, I don't know much about it and therefore I assume its really messy, lots of work, and kind of expensive? Will look into it though because I had a feeling this might be a solution.
Oh I didn't realize it's been that long since he's been eating pears. There's honestly no telling. Dogs can be very stoic sometimes. When I worked at the vet clinic, I would see dogs with HUGE bladder stones. Like, a stone the size of a duck egg in a little 15lb poodle. Obviously it didn't grow there overnight, or even in a week. But the dogs would show virtually no noticeable symptoms until the day/week/night they came in.

A lot of vets are not very raw friendly, so she may tell you to just stick to the prescription diet. Those diets are scientifically tested and proven to work for their intended purpose, so it's something she is confident in telling you to use so your dogs health issues don't come back. There's no scientific testing behind raw at all, especially for these kind of health problems, and there are a lot of concerns and misconceptions about raw. I honestly don't fault the vets for their recommendations and being against raw. I knew when I switched my cat that I was doing it at my own risk. But to me, raw made the most sense, both for a general diet and for his urinary issues. I was using the rx canned diet only, because kibble made zero sense at all....It was a mix of stress and the lack of water in kibble that lead to this issue in the first place. The rx diets have added salt to encourage the pets to drink more water, and I wasn't comfortable with that.

Anyway, that's another reason to look into an integrative vet. They are typically a lot more open minded about alternative diets, and are often better versed in canine nutrition.

I probably spend no more than $60-70 a month on raw to feed 2 dogs (weights are 30lbs and 15lbs) and a cat (weighing 10lbs). I get a lot of meat on sale, so it's even less sometimes. It's cheaper than feeding high quality kibble like Acana, Orijen, Fromm, Earthborn etc. It's also WAY cheaper than the rx diet the vet wanted my cat on. That stuff was $2 for 5oz can of food, which is one day's worth for him. I estimate that a day's worth of raw food for him is well under 50 cents. I get a lot of meat for under $2/lb. I get a lot of meat on sale at mexican markets and sometimes asian markets. I regularly get chicken and pork for under $1/lb. I also have people I buy live chickens and rabbits from to feed for pretty cheap. I have a butcher I get free scraps from of venison and beef.

It takes me about 10 minutes to make a weeks worth of meals for all 3 animals. The mess isn't terrible....I just wipe down the counter when I'm done. You get better and more efficient the more you do it. I know a lot of people easily get flustered and frustrated with meal prep, but they sometimes over complicate it too. I don't weigh anything or measure anything. I feed 80% muscle, 10% bone and 10% organ, but it's all eyeballed and guestimated. Balance is achieved over time, so each meal doesn't have to be perfect. It just has to feed the dog.

If you have facebook, I can send you links to a couple groups you can join. One of them has an extensive resource section on how to start feeding raw.
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If you could send me the link for the one with the resource section that would be great because right now, I have no clue at all.

Do you keep the food in the fridge after meal prep or in the freezer?
I do meal prep for myself every Sunday for the entire week more or less so I guess 10 more min for the pups wouldn't make much of a difference...
I have 3 dogs (the pug in question 17lbs, pug mix 18lbs, rat terrier 24lbs).

I dont know how my vet would react because food was never really talked about. She knows what I feed and she didn't push the prescription food really. She just mentioned for the 19 days or whatever it is, it might be good so we could get rid of the crystals and afterwards we would take a more close look on where to go from here.

I also mentioned to her that I started them on brewers yeast because we had more ticks than usual and wanted to get them away from Nexguard in general (pricewise and chemicalwise) and she said yea that could probably work and to just try and see what happens.
So I think overall, she seems kind of open to "green" medicine? I guess I will find out if I pursue the raw diet..
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