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Old 04-07-2010, 11:47 PM
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Mysterious jolts...

Since December my 14 yr. old peke has been getting these jolts, almost looks as if she's getting shocked. Her reaction to them leads me to believe they are pain related. Initially I thought she may have a really bad ear infection due to the fact that she has dealt with them on and off. When she gets them she wants to go run and hide. They happen no matter what she's doing, even when she's just lying still, sometimes when she's sleeping. The frequency of them seems to vary. Some days the jolts are very few and far between, other days they don't stop and she's miserable.

I immediately took her to my vet and have been to several other vets looking for an answer. I even taped her so they could see what these jolts look like. So far all of her blood work has come back fine. She's had a bile acids test, CT scan, her teeth were checked out while she was under for the CT scan,...everything comes back OK. No ear infection either. They also have said it doesn't appear to be seizures. I recently found a holistic vet and she performed acupuncture and did chiropractic work on Kismet. While she was adjusting her back and got up to her head and neck area Kismet had one of the jolts. The Dr. thinks it may be her temporomandibular joint. I've been researching this and it would definitely explain things like the jolts when she eats and drinks, turns her head etc...but other than that she doesn't seem to have the normal symptoms of TMJ. I actually found a site where 4 people were asking about these same jolts that suddenly appeared in their dog but the posts were years ago and unfortunately there were no answers there, but at least I know this has happened to other dogs.

Please, I am desperate. She is an otherwise extremely healthy dog. Every vet I have seen has been impressed with her level of health for a senior dog. She still acted like a puppy until this all started. I'm going to continue with the acupuncture and chiropractor. The day after having that done was one of the best days she had. It didn't last though. If anyone has had a similar experience or has any insight I will be eternally grateful. I know my poor baby isn't happy and watching her be like this for 4 months now is driving me close to insanity.
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Old 04-08-2010, 12:06 AM
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I'm sorry to hear this! *hugs*

Can you post the videos? Its hard to tell exactly what your talking about.

Also-can you list ALL the tests/treatments that have been done?

This sounds neuro for sure....CT of course is brain-but any MRI or Xrays or ? Any other neuro functioning tests (ex. the vet spins the dog and then sees what happens with body and face and eyes)
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Old 04-08-2010, 12:36 AM
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Thank you so so much for responding!!!!
Hmm, can I post video on here? I'm just learning my way around this site.

Tests:
Ear culture initially came back with a little yeast which cleared up as soon as I applied Zymox.
X ray of her spine was normal
CBC- results fine
Bile acids test -fine
CT scan showed narrowing of ear canals from the infections and some hydrocephalus which I was told was normal for a peke. I don't know the term for the test on the brain fluids or spinal fluids???but for some reason this was not done during the CT scan and my new vet is not a happy camper about that. We really don't want to put her under again either.

My new holistic vet at first zero'd on on it being neurological but she did something like you mentioned above and a few other neuro tests and said Kiz responded well. I was kicking myself for not having an MRI done over the CT scan but the new vet said I could do an MRI but god forbid it was a tumor or something there really isn't much they could do with her being a peke, plus already having some hydrocephalus was a recipe for disaster with a surgery like that. The vet was thinking maybe she had a lesion on her brain but when Kiz got the jolt during the chiropractic part focus went to the TMJ.

Honestly my thoughts go to it being neuro related but she acts like she's in pain. Very confusing. Also the way it really seems to flare sometimes when she eats or turns her head. She did have to have 3 bottom teeth removed last summer which brings me back to it possibly being TMJ due to uneven chewing. AAAAAAHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!

Again, Thank you!!
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but god forbid it was a tumor or something there really isn't much they could do with her being a peke,
That's what they told us when Mandy was neuro-that if it was cancer we didn't want to know as it was untreatable. Totally wrong-even though surgery and chemo weren't options-when we finally figured out it was cancer-we got her in for radiation and the results have FAR surpassed what they predicted-the oncology specialists are surprised. So I would do what you can to find out if it is or rule out cancer-if it's financially doable ask for the tests to determine and/or rule out cancer-there is many different treatment options now for dog cancer.

Is the holistic vet a 'real vet'? (if that makes sense-just wondering if this is maybe a vet tech or?) -and have you seen a specialist of had any of the vets consult with one?

Its hard to tell when a dog is in pain-she may confused or shocked or what have you -so don't rule anything out on that I'd say. Thoughyou are FAR more aware of what's going on with your dog then I could be-it's possible it's something besides pain. Have you tried any steriods or nsaids? That could rule out pain for you-and reduce swelling and may narrow something down?

Does she have a tilt at all? Was her head x rayed-I'm thinking specifically bulba?

(I'm not a vet-just thinking out loud, and trying to help!! )
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Please continue to think out loud!
I'm so glad your Mandy is ok! Fantastic. I love it when dogs kick cancer right in the bum.

Yes the holistic vet is a real vet. She practices both modern and alternative medicine. I don't know if you've ever heard of Dr. Marty Goldstein, he's huge here, treats Oprah's dogs and Martha Stewart's dogs,...anyway when I saw that his practice was near me here in NY I immediately took Kismet there. I was told holistic was the best way to go if it was neurological. Kismet is the only thing worthy of emptying my savings account for and when that's depleted I'm hitting the credit cards!!! Heck I'd sell one of my own organs if I had too.

It's REALLY almost impossible to do successful surgery on a brachycephalic dog and radiation is also hard due to the way their little heads are designed. Kizzy's already blind in one eye, cat got her when she was only 3 months, and radiation would most likely due her good in. I just went through the horrors of a peke with nasal cancer with a friend and learned just how dangerous it was to attempt surgery and radiation. This new vet was basically telling me the same things. Of course I'll do anything to try to help Kiz, but everything I've seen seems to say she would only suffer more with surgery and radiation.

There's no head tilt, not uncoordinated at all. They only did the CT Scan on her head. We did see a specialist while we were ruling out the liver, kidney's, thyroid, pancreas..but not a neurologist. When this first happened they gave us some pain relievers but they didn't seem to really do much. Have not tried any steroids...actually I've never let any vet use steroids on her. Guessing a holistic vet really isn't going to push that either.

I just don't understand how this JUST happened. There were no signs of anything. She was fine the whole day this started and that night she got the jolt out of the blue. Is that normal for neurological problems? When she's having a good day now she literally runs me around the block, she even helped me to herd a neighbor's dog that had gotten loose back to his house the other day. She goes up and down stairs without a problem too. If we could just rule out her being in any pain...I can deal with her being a little loopy but watching her and thinking it's pain related for 4 months is taking it's toll on all of us.

I'm gonna call the vet now and ask about seeing a neurologist. I would assume a neurologist may see something on that CT scan that no one else has. We also had a different blood test done on here with the CBC, a nutritional blood test that I believe Dr. Marty created, and it showed her body was fighting some infection and inflammation. I don't know..I just don't know.

Bless you for trying to help out on this!!!!

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Honestly Id' say check out radiation. Brachy doesn't touch it as far as I know and it really did us good

TBH I don't think it just happened but likely happened over time. Neuro problems do happen out of the blue-Mandy the dog and Chuck the rabbit have VERY similar neuro problems though the cause, prognosis and even the presentation is very different.

I would definitely see specialists where you can! That would be ther very best couse of action. Please keep us posted!!!
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Well we've been having a few good days now. I took her for another chiropractic/acupuncture. Kismet does NOT like anyone going towards the right side of her head and neck. The weird jolt seems to be holding everyone up on the tumor diagnosis. For now I'm treating it like it is a tumor and am hoping if not at least all these supplements will help in whatever it is that's wrong.

From what I've seen watching her like a hawk for 4 months, is that none if the weird behavior starts until those jolts kick in, almost like she's wearing a shock collar....

Thanks for all the input. I will definitely keep you posted.
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I wonder how this ever turned out?
My dog just started the exact same behavior...
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Since to OP hasn't been on for a number of years, we will likely never know what it turned out to be. From the descriptions, it sure sounds neurological. I think with those symptoms, a neurologist consult is definitely indicated.
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I wonder how this ever turned out?
My dog just started the exact same behavior...
What do you mean by jolts?

My old dog Shadow started what looked like seizures, where he'd tremble a bit but when I called his name he'd snap out of of, he had 2 or 3 episodes like that and I was planning on mentioning it to the vet next time I had him in, but before I got him to the vet he had a pretty bad stroke. So if it's random, seizure like activity, please rule out stroke.

The dog I have now, Zody, was having what seemed like random jolts of pain. He'd take off running into a room like something stung him on the but, sit down abruptly and look at his back end. Then he started randomly yelping and also hiding. All of that would happen out of the blue. I took him to the vet who said it was anal glands, and expressed them, the jolts kept happening, I took him back in, vet insisted it was anal glands, despite my asking if it could be back pain, and flushed them. The jolts kept happening and I took him to a new vet, that vet agreed with me, that it was probably pain and most likely a pinched nerve in his back, I asked if it could be the harness and he said yes it was possible. I gave him the medicine prescribed by the vet, rested him, and got him a different harness. The pain went away and he's been fine since.
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