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Old 05-21-2016, 08:56 PM
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I need help! Puppy getting diarrhea on raw

Not sure if this goes here or in the "Dog food" section.

My puppy is 5 months (APBT/Am Staff mix). A couple of weeks ago I started her on raw but I went with fresh frozen patties (meat only, no fruits/veggies). The owner of the store recommended pork since chicken can sometimes be too rich. She was doing really well, formed small stools, no odor, no flatulrnce. But I wanted something for her to chew on so he sold me one of those big raw meaty knuckle bones. I let her chew on it for too long I think, and also I had soaked one of her rope toys in chicken broth (and froze it). It was unsalted but not fat free. The next day she had horrible diarrhea all afternoon. I think it was too much fat at once.

The vet suggested rice, boiled chicken and pumpkin for a few days. I also added some probiotic enzyme powder to her meals and within a couple of days her poop was back to normal so I slowly went back to raw. This time I decided to buy whole chickens instead of the patties (cuz the patties contain organs and I wanted to start off slower).

I have been feeding her skinless chicken breast, skinless leg quarters, backs and the occasional chicken foot. At first she was doing ok. Soft but formed, a little shiny but no globs of mucus. Last night she had good poop, only slightly soft but well formed. Today it was either soft or diarrhea. She had a drumstick this morning and a bit of chicken breast, lunch was a leg quarter.

She also has terrible stinky farts.

No visible blood in her stools.

Energy levels normal and always has an appetite.

I'm worried with all this diarrhea and lack of nutrition in her diet from boiled chicken and rice it's affecting her growth because she's so young. I don't know what to do. I'm so tempted to go back to her kibble ugh.

What am I doing wrong??

Please advise! Thanks!

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Old 05-22-2016, 07:09 AM
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Has your vet run a fecal analysis? That would be my first step.

I'm not a raw feeder but it would make sense to me that the more processing meat undergoes the greater the risk of infectious agents being introduced. Other than that gut micro flora is incredibly important and your pup may not have the flora to cope with a raw diet yet so it might take a while for things to even out.

Hope she has a speedy recovery!
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Maybe she's intolerant/allergic to chicken?
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Not sure if this goes here or in the "Dog food" section.

My puppy is 5 months (APBT/Am Staff mix). A couple of weeks ago I started her on raw but I went with fresh frozen patties (meat only, no fruits/veggies). The owner of the store recommended pork since chicken can sometimes be too rich. She was doing really well, formed small stools, no odor, no flatulrnce. But I wanted something for her to chew on so he sold me one of those big raw meaty knuckle bones. I let her chew on it for too long I think, and also I had soaked one of her rope toys in chicken broth (and froze it). It was unsalted but not fat free. The next day she had horrible diarrhea all afternoon. I think it was too much fat at once.

The vet suggested rice, boiled chicken and pumpkin for a few days. I also added some probiotic enzyme powder to her meals and within a couple of days her poop was back to normal so I slowly went back to raw. This time I decided to buy whole chickens instead of the patties (cuz the patties contain organs and I wanted to start off slower).

I have been feeding her skinless chicken breast, skinless leg quarters, backs and the occasional chicken foot. At first she was doing ok. Soft but formed, a little shiny but no globs of mucus. Last night she had good poop, only slightly soft but well formed. Today it was either soft or diarrhea. She had a drumstick this morning and a bit of chicken breast, lunch was a leg quarter.

She also has terrible stinky farts.

No visible blood in her stools.

Energy levels normal and always has an appetite.

I'm worried with all this diarrhea and lack of nutrition in her diet from boiled chicken and rice it's affecting her growth because she's so young. I don't know what to do. I'm so tempted to go back to her kibble ugh.

What am I doing wrong??

Please advise! Thanks!
A lot happenend in the beginning which probably caused issues right off the bat, like beginning with pork, a knuckle to chew, rice and boiled chicken, feeding patties etc....Back up, and slow down a bit.

Start back at the beginning. Chicken is the easiest protein to digest which is why it is used first (Not rich at all, as the store owner told you). Be sure the chicken is as low sodium as you can find, and start with quarters. Remove skin/fat for the first few days. Feed quarters only for the first week at least. As poops are looking good slowly add the skin/fat back on. If after about a week and a half, all is going well, move on to the next protein which is turkey. In the meantime, don't feed anything else but bone in chicken. No other bones, no treats nothing. Less is more in the beginning.
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Thanks @Chas! If it doesn't get better in the next couple of days I will do the fecal analysis. At the time when I saw the vet, the sample I gave her was already formed normal poop so she said to skip the analysis for now and see what happens when she goes back to raw.
@naturalfeddogs when I fed her the quarters she would get yellow formed but soft stool with a thin shiny layer of mucus. Is that normal in the beginning?

Update: I skipped her dinner last night and this morning she had brown firm poop. Yay! Not sure how that happened since all day she had yellowish soft stool and diarrhea.
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Thanks @Chas! If it doesn't get better in the next couple of days I will do the fecal analysis. At the time when I saw the vet, the sample I gave her was already formed normal poop so she said to skip the analysis for now and see what happens when she goes back to raw.
@naturalfeddogs when I fed her the quarters she would get yellow formed but soft stool with a thin shiny layer of mucus. Is that normal in the beginning?

Update: I skipped her dinner last night and this morning she had brown firm poop. Yay! Not sure how that happened since all day she had yellowish soft stool and diarrhea.
The yellow color is normal from chicken, sometimes it will just take that color. And the sliminess is normal as well in the beginning. That should go away as she adjusts, which it sounds like she is doing. Just watch to be sure the poops stay formed, not runny. If it stays just a little on the softer side with quarters, you can also give her drumsticks as well to up the bone a little. That is assuming she chews drumsticks and doesn't try to gulp them.
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What are the percentages of meat, bone and organ in the raw you are feeding your dog?

Soft stools from raw is generally too little bone or too much fat or organ.
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Here's an article that has a section on starting puppies on a raw diet http://rawfeddogs.org/rawguide.html

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@naturalfeddogs she's good with the quarters (thigh and drumstick), she actually chews it. I can hear her gag/choke and then regurgitate then chew again lol

She had soft stools at noon and then clumpy diarrhea in the afternoon. All I fed her today were chicken backs.
@DriveDog no organs at the moment, all the chicken parts I feed have no skin. Right now she's only getting backs and quarters. I stopped the chicken breast. I'm assuming the wings are too fatty cuz of the skin? Cuz it has high bone content I thought it would be good to feed but I'm concerned about the skin/fat.

Thanks @Rain, I've actually read that article and started with a bit of breast meat and some chicken back/ribs and she got runny poop. Can't figure out why she's having so much trouble...so I figure give more meaty bones like the backs and some drumsticks and her poop is inconsistent. Some times it's formed...sometimes it's runny.
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Update: I fed her a quarter and a chicken back at 4pm and she got lumpy watery poop (I wasn't home when it happened, she went inside the apartment) and then at 730pm she has squirty diarrhea (this time she let me know and ran to the door to go out). She's usually able to hold it until I can let her out. I'm at a loss right now....I think I'm just going to need to do a fecal analysis the next time she poops.

She's been really cuddly all day today, poor girl I just want her to feel better. She's drinking water at least and there's never been any vomiting.
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