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Old 01-20-2016, 02:04 AM
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Thought computer did its job and sent my reply obviously not. What's your budget food wise? Id go with something he not had before . Has he had lamb, beef, duck, venison ir even turkey before? If not try a one protein food. I can help you if you tell me what pet shops you have and where get food from with your budget to find better food. I honestly wouldn't mind. Diabetes never occurred to me and forgot thyroid can do that sorry.

If he stinks could be the food doing it or yeast infection. My lab was on heavy grain food he reeked so switched him to grain free food and week later it went! Vet couldn't find reason why he stank so I changed his food and yay! Honestly change of diet could help and feeding a better food will help and he will get better nutrition.

Urine dipstick test can tell if diabetes or not. That should be cheap as. Done a lot of those with my dog for her urine problems in past which raw diet has cured
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I'm sorry to hear about your pup's allergies! These guys sure do keep us on our toes.

I haven't tried switching his food yet; he's been on the same kind for a year. Now that I'm thinking about it, he probably is having an allergic reaction to all the cat food he ate. But - he's stopped eating it for the most part (he might be sneaking it..), so it doesn't make sense that the condition is getting worse.

Does the weight loss match up with your theory? Seems like that wouldn't necessarily be an allergic symptom would it? That's what makes me think it could be more serious. Although everything else you said checks out, even the licking of the paws.

The cat food is all seafood-based, although I haven't checked the ingredients so I'll do that too. But I'm sure there's other things about the cat food that he could've had a reaction to (I've read it contains much higher levels of certain nutrients than what is meant for dogs).

I will still be changing his food to see if that helps but my mommy's instinct is telling me he was allergic to something in the cat food.

How much is a skin scrape? What does that entail? Sounds like maybe that'd be a good place to start.
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Thought computer did its job and sent my reply obviously not. What's your budget food wise? Id go with something he not had before . Has he had lamb, beef, duck, venison ir even turkey before? If not try a one protein food. I can help you if you tell me what pet shops you have and where get food from with your budget to find better food. I honestly wouldn't mind. Diabetes never occurred to me and forgot thyroid can do that sorry.

If he stinks could be the food doing it or yeast infection. My lab was on heavy grain food he reeked so switched him to grain free food and week later it went! Vet couldn't find reason why he stank so I changed his food and yay! Honestly change of diet could help and feeding a better food will help and he will get better nutrition.

Urine dipstick test can tell if diabetes or not. That should be cheap as. Done a lot of those with my dog for her urine problems in past which raw diet has cured
Thank you! Sounds like he might have a yeast infection. I'm still worried about the weight loss though.

My food budget is honestly as inexpensive as possible. The big bags are what, 30 lbs? Maybe I'm making that up but I think so; we've been getting one of those in the $30's range so I'd like to stick to that. We have PetSmart and Petco here.

So - if the problem persists after a diet change, skin scrape and urine test. Should the doc do a thyroid test as well? That sounds like an expensive option but I don't know what I'm talking about.
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Thought computer did its job and sent my reply obviously not. What's your budget food wise? Id go with something he not had before . Has he had lamb, beef, duck, venison ir even turkey before? If not try a one protein food. I can help you if you tell me what pet shops you have and where get food from with your budget to find better food. I honestly wouldn't mind. Diabetes never occurred to me and forgot thyroid can do that sorry.

If he stinks could be the food doing it or yeast infection. My lab was on heavy grain food he reeked so switched him to grain free food and week later it went! Vet couldn't find reason why he stank so I changed his food and yay! Honestly change of diet could help and feeding a better food will help and he will get better nutrition.

Urine dipstick test can tell if diabetes or not. That should be cheap as. Done a lot of those with my dog for her urine problems in past which raw diet has cured
Oh - also wanted to say that unless he's developed a reaction to it, it shouldn't be his food that is causing the smell - he's been on the same food for a year without any smell problem.
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I'm sorry to hear about your pup's allergies! These guys sure do keep us on our toes.

I haven't tried switching his food yet; he's been on the same kind for a year. Now that I'm thinking about it, he probably is having an allergic reaction to all the cat food he ate. But - he's stopped eating it for the most part (he might be sneaking it..), so it doesn't make sense that the condition is getting worse.

Does the weight loss match up with your theory? Seems like that wouldn't necessarily be an allergic symptom would it? That's what makes me think it could be more serious. Although everything else you said checks out, even the licking of the paws.

The cat food is all seafood-based, although I haven't checked the ingredients so I'll do that too. But I'm sure there's other things about the cat food that he could've had a reaction to (I've read it contains much higher levels of certain nutrients than what is meant for dogs).

I will still be changing his food to see if that helps but my mommy's instinct is telling me he was allergic to something in the cat food.

How much is a skin scrape? What does that entail? Sounds like maybe that'd be a good place to start.

What brand of cat food is it? A lot of the cat foods are chicken based even when they say things like seafood, tuna, whitefish, ect. They tend to be worse then the dog food with doing that IMHO Here's an example of what I mean. Notice the food is loaded with corn, then has poultry by product, then meat and bone mean, then finally towards the bottom the fish. That means the food is mainly corn, then unnamed bird meat,
Friskies Seafood Sensation:
Ground yellow corn, corn gluten meal, poultry by-product meal, soybean meal, animal fat preserved with mixed-tocopherols, meat and bone meal, animal liver flavor, ocean fish meal, phosphoric acid, salt, calcium carbonate, choline chloride, potassium chloride, salmon meal, tuna meal, shrimp meal, crab meal, dehydrated seaweed meal, taurine, zinc sulfate, added color, ferrous sulfate, Vitamin E supplement, manganese sulfate, Yellow 5, Red 40, niacin, Yellow 6, copper sulfate, Blue 2, Vitamin A supplement, calcium pantothenate, thiamine mononitrate, riboflavin supplement, Vitamin B-12 supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride, calcium iodate, folic acid, Vitamin D-3 supplement, biotin, menadione sodium bisulfite complex (source of Vitamin K activity), sodium selenite

It's also a really good example of a food with very poor quality ingredients but that's for another thread LOL.

If that's the type of food he's been sneaking then the likely culprits would be the corn, poultry (chicken, turkey, duck), whatever the meat may be and it could be anything, and the dyes. If he's still managing to sneak it then he's still being exposed to whatever he's allergic to. It'd be like someone who has a peanut allergy, once a day, eating something that has just a little bit of peanut sauce on it maybe just half a teaspoonful. The allergic reaction would not stop and might get worse because of the continuous exposure, or maybe they'll just keep having a mild reaction but enough to be miserable.
It could be that the cat food paired with the dog food is causing him to have enough exposure to make the reaction worse. That's what happened to Shadow, I think he always had a slight allergy but it became worse when I put him on a food that was only chicken based and had switched his canned food and treats to ones that were chicken based, after I did that his allergy went haywire.

Vet prices vary from place to place and even vets in the same general area will have different prices so I cannot guess, they shouldn't be all that expensive though, in my area they're less then $100. What I'd do is call up the vets and ask about the price for it. Explain what's going on and see what they advise. My guess would be that they'd have you bring in the dog, charge for an exam and the skin scrape if they feel it's warranted. If you go to a different vet then your normal one they'll also need your dog's medical records, they should be able to call and get them faxed.

The weight loss is more worrying and I can't begin to guess why he may be losing weight. It normally won't happen with allergies, neither will increased thirst and urination.

The 4Health food that I mentioned is one of the least expensive, decent, foods that I know of. Most of the others are going to cost you around $20 more per bag then you are paying. PetSmart and PetCo are both massively over priced on their foods. You'd do better going to a feed store, or a store like Tractor Supply, or my personal favorite Dog and Cat Food, Treats, and Supplies | Free Shipping at Chewy.com. The last is where I get my pet food from. Here's two links to compare prices...
Merrick Grain-Free Real Texas Beef + Sweet Potato Recipe Dry Dog Food, 25-lb bag
Merrick Grain Free Real Texas Beef & Sweet Potato Dog Food, 4 lbs. | Petco Store
Merrick Grain Free Real Texas Beef + Sweet Potato Dog Food, 25 lb. - For Life Out Here
It's also worth noting that Petco and Tractor Supply's local prices may be higher or lower then the websites.

This 4Health food may work for your boy 4health Grain Free Pork & Potato Dog Food, 30 lb. - For Life Out Here
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I'm sorry to hear about your pup's allergies! These guys sure do keep us on our toes.

I haven't tried switching his food yet; he's been on the same kind for a year. Now that I'm thinking about it, he probably is having an allergic reaction to all the cat food he ate. But - he's stopped eating it for the most part (he might be sneaking it..), so it doesn't make sense that the condition is getting worse.

Does the weight loss match up with your theory? Seems like that wouldn't necessarily be an allergic symptom would it? That's what makes me think it could be more serious. Although everything else you said checks out, even the licking of the paws.

The cat food is all seafood-based, although I haven't checked the ingredients so I'll do that too. But I'm sure there's other things about the cat food that he could've had a reaction to (I've read it contains much higher levels of certain nutrients than what is meant for dogs).

I will still be changing his food to see if that helps but my mommy's instinct is telling me he was allergic to something in the cat food.

How much is a skin scrape? What does that entail? Sounds like maybe that'd be a good place to start.

What brand of cat food is it? A lot of the cat foods are chicken based even when they say things like seafood, tuna, whitefish, ect. They tend to be worse then the dog food with doing that IMHO Here's an example of what I mean. Notice the food is loaded with corn, then has poultry by product, then meat and bone mean, then finally towards the bottom the fish. That means the food is mainly corn, then unnamed bird meat,
Friskies Seafood Sensation:
Ground yellow corn, corn gluten meal, poultry by-product meal, soybean meal, animal fat preserved with mixed-tocopherols, meat and bone meal, animal liver flavor, ocean fish meal, phosphoric acid, salt, calcium carbonate, choline chloride, potassium chloride, salmon meal, tuna meal, shrimp meal, crab meal, dehydrated seaweed meal, taurine, zinc sulfate, added color, ferrous sulfate, Vitamin E supplement, manganese sulfate, Yellow 5, Red 40, niacin, Yellow 6, copper sulfate, Blue 2, Vitamin A supplement, calcium pantothenate, thiamine mononitrate, riboflavin supplement, Vitamin B-12 supplement, pyridoxine hydrochloride, calcium iodate, folic acid, Vitamin D-3 supplement, biotin, menadione sodium bisulfite complex (source of Vitamin K activity), sodium selenite

It's also a really good example of a food with very poor quality ingredients but that's for another thread LOL.

If that's the type of food he's been sneaking then the likely culprits would be the corn, poultry (chicken, turkey, duck), whatever the meat may be and it could be anything, and the dyes. If he's still managing to sneak it then he's still being exposed to whatever he's allergic to. It'd be like someone who has a peanut allergy, once a day, eating something that has just a little bit of peanut sauce on it maybe just half a teaspoonful. The allergic reaction would not stop and might get worse because of the continuous exposure, or maybe they'll just keep having a mild reaction but enough to be miserable.
It could be that the cat food paired with the dog food is causing him to have enough exposure to make the reaction worse. That's what happened to Shadow, I think he always had a slight allergy but it became worse when I put him on a food that was only chicken based and had switched his canned food and treats to ones that were chicken based, after I did that his allergy went haywire.

Vet prices vary from place to place and even vets in the same general area will have different prices so I cannot guess, they shouldn't be all that expensive though, in my area they're less then $100. What I'd do is call up the vets and ask about the price for it. Explain what's going on and see what they advise. My guess would be that they'd have you bring in the dog, charge for an exam and the skin scrape if they feel it's warranted. If you go to a different vet then your normal one they'll also need your dog's medical records, they should be able to call and get them faxed.

The weight loss is more worrying and I can't begin to guess why he may be losing weight. It normally won't happen with allergies, neither will increased thirst and urination.

The 4Health food that I mentioned is one of the least expensive, decent, foods that I know of. Most of the others are going to cost you around $20 more per bag then you are paying. PetSmart and PetCo are both massively over priced on their foods. You'd do better going to a feed store, or a store like Tractor Supply, or my personal favorite Dog and Cat Food, Treats, and Supplies | Free Shipping at Chewy.com. The last is where I get my pet food from. Here's two links to compare prices...
Merrick Grain-Free Real Texas Beef + Sweet Potato Recipe Dry Dog Food, 25-lb bag
Merrick Grain Free Real Texas Beef & Sweet Potato Dog Food, 4 lbs. | Petco Store
Merrick Grain Free Real Texas Beef + Sweet Potato Dog Food, 25 lb. - For Life Out Here
It's also worth noting that Petco and Tractor Supply's local prices may be higher or lower then the websites.

This 4Health food may work for your boy 4health Grain Free Pork & Potato Dog Food, 30 lb. - For Life Out Here
Wow thank you! We do have tractor supply and other feed stores around here. I don't know why I figured those would be more expensive. I will compare prices and check the ingredients of the cat food.

Calling the vet now!
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What your dog has is called Alopecia.

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Symmetrical hair loss — There are several known causes for this, including excessive levels of steroids in the dog's body produced by the adrenal glands, low thyroid levels, increased levels of estrogen, low levels of female hormone secretion, and testosterone-related hair loss (occurring when the levels are lowered suddenly in the dog).
It could also be Flank Alopecia (and the bilateral symmetric hair loss on the flank and some weight loss can occur) because of the timing, this normally occurs between November and March and has no apparent cause. To diagnose a vet will rule out endocrinopathies (CBC, clinical biochemistry, T4, TSH, HAC-tests) and skin biopsy.

Animals Hair Losss & Hormonal Disease | Pet Care Services - Animal Dermatology Clinic
http://www.ivis.org/proceedings/navc...E/091.pdf?LA=1
https://www.petassure.com/newsletter...0article2.html

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