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Old 08-21-2017, 12:28 AM
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German shepherd neuter

Hiya, just a quick question, what age do you think is best to get a GSD neutered ??
Tried googling it and got mixed results, asked the vet and she said about 6 months, that's seemed a bit late in my books ?
(he's already 3 and a half months which feels crazy to me !)
We've never neutered our other dogs because we've always just had the one dog. (Now we have two so it's necessary)
Thanks in advance!
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You'll get a lot of different opinions on this, all depending on whom you ask. Veterinarians recommend around 6 months for most dogs, I personally think you should neuter once your dog is full grown and mature, and some people don't ever think you should neuter.
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First 3 dogs I did it per the vet's recommendation and sterilized all of them early, probably in first 6-10 months or so??? I chose to leave my current GSD bitch intact as studies suggested there is more benefit than harm. My vet cited the 2009 study regarding Rottweiler bitches but would not state that the same findings would be similar in GSDs. I thought I would at the very least allow my GSD to reach full maturity before spaying, it made too much sense. I appreciate that keeping a dog intact can expose the dog to other health issues simply because of it having all of its "parts" but the upside seemed to outweigh the downside.

I assume most vets ( in this country ) will recommend a spay/neuter at an early age mostly for the sake of reducing the whoops litters and filling more kill shelters with victims. If you choose to take on the responsibility of having an intact dog and make it a priority then I don't see why one would sterilize their dog before full maturity or postpone it beyond the current norm.

Here's some links discussing some of the studies conducted and one more recent one specific to GSDs by UC Davis.

The Damaging Effects of Spaying and Neutering on Dogs

https://www.ucdavis.edu/news/early-n...s-study-finds/
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...what age do you think is best to get a GSD neutered ??
Tried googling it and got mixed results, asked the vet and she said about 6 months, that's seemed a bit late in my books ?
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Desex isn't breed-specific. Any healthy pup over 2# can be neutered ['neutered' applies to Fs as well as Ms, desexed is also either sex; spay is F-only].

U said he's 3.5-MO, so anytime U like, basically - i generally tell clients who want to skip the intense ratcheting-up of male behaviors to neuter their pup between 5.5 & 7.5-MO.
The testosterone spike starts sliding rapidly up around 7 to 7.5-mos, & peaks at about 9-MO when the young male dog has 5 to 7 times as much circulating testosterone in his bloodstream as an intact-M dog who's 12 to 15-MO. That's a lot.

Ian Dunbar was among? / the? researcher/s who discovered this odd massive surge, & he thought there was an error in the data - re-checked it, drew blood at other times of day, etc.

So far as i know, no other mammal has been found with this odd quirk of a "super-male" period in late-puberty, when androgen-fueled behaviors are very-much magnified & intense, & Other Dogs react differently to this teen-male who reeks of testosterone.
The former social-butterfly of the dog park is suddenly cold-shouldered, stared down, snarked at, etc, & he has no idea what's going on.

It's hypothesized that the gauntlet of harassing & challenging feedback young M dogs get from other dogs teaches them better peacekeeping skills, how to back-down or avoid confrontation & fights. // Adult bitches are especially prone to tell-off or pick-on teenaged-Ms from 7 to 10-MO, but pretty much any other dog over 6-MO gives them grief, both sexes & whether they're intact or S/N - they ALL give him a hard time.

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Thanks for the replies, I definitely have to get him done because my sister has a bitch she brings down quite often, (and she won't spay her ...) plus I just want him done, so between 6-12 mo would be okay right ?
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...I definitely have to get him done ... my sister has a bitch she brings down quite often, (and she won't spay her ...) plus I just want him done...

[neutering him] between 6 & 12 mo would be okay, right ?
how much experience do U have with dogs, & have U raised a male dog from puphood to adulthood, before?

I ask because folks who haven't seen the changes in everyday behavior from puberty starting around 4-MO through the obnoxious period of 'super-male' at 8 to 10-MO, haven't a clue what they're facing.

The adorable pup who toddled at yer heels is gone; a pain-in-the-butt teenager with a major attitude has taken his place, & at 9-MO, he may be ignoring well-trained, well-known cues, marking indoors, leg-lifting on every vertical surface outdoors including human legs, humping everything that moves & some stationary objects as well, escaping the house or yard to go walkabout, & posturing at every male dog he meets, intact or desexed.

U might bear in mind that he can be fertile at 5-MO; he cannot be off-leash, let alone left unattended with any intact-F, just in case she's in a silent heat [estrus with no symptoms].
Even if he's still too young to be fertile & is shooting blanks, dogs can have STDs, too - so mounting & humping aren't "only" rude & invasive behaviors that can start fights, it can cost a pretty penny to repair the damages, afterward.

Also, any male-behavior that's been learned already may not stop after he's been neutered - he won't "forget" them, they are part of his repertoire.
Peeing indoors usually goes way-down after desex, & in one study, 90% of the M dogs who'd been marking indoors STOPPED with no further intervention needed, once they were neutered.
However, M-dogs may not stop escaping, mounting / humping, posturing at other males, overmarking, or leg-lifting inappropriately, post-neuter; if they like it, they may just keep right on doing it.

If he were mine, i'd snip him around 6-MO if Sis comes by regularly with her F; even earlier, if the dogs can't be easily kept safely & reliably separate when unsupervised off-leash.
Bear in mind, if he DOES mount her, there's always the anti-mating injection to prevent an unwanted / unplanned litter; don't just throw up yer hands & assume "she's gotta have this litter". Act quickly & make an appt ASAP with the vet for the injection. // For the F, preventing the litter is safer by far than taking an unplanned litter [or even a carefully planned one] to term.

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Vets here recommend 6 months, but for male dogs I like to wait till they are done growing, as long as there are no behavioral issues, like marking, humping, etc.
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Desex isn't breed-specific. Any healthy pup over 2# can be neutered ['neutered' applies to Fs as well as Ms, desexed is also either sex; spay is F-only].

U said he's 3.5-MO, so anytime U like, basically - i generally tell clients who want to skip the intense ratcheting-up of male behaviors to neuter their pup between 5.5 & 7.5-MO.
The testosterone spike starts sliding rapidly up around 7 to 7.5-mos, & peaks at about 9-MO when the young male dog has 5 to 7 times as much circulating testosterone in his bloodstream as an intact-M dog who's 12 to 15-MO. That's a lot.

Ian Dunbar was among? / the? researcher/s who discovered this odd massive surge, & he thought there was an error in the data - re-checked it, drew blood at other times of day, etc.

So far as i know, no other mammal has been found with this odd quirk of a "super-male" period in late-puberty, when androgen-fueled behaviors are very-much magnified & intense, & Other Dogs react differently to this teen-male who reeks of testosterone.
The former social-butterfly of the dog park is suddenly cold-shouldered, stared down, snarked at, etc, & he has no idea what's going on.

It's hypothesized that the gauntlet of harassing & challenging feedback young M dogs get from other dogs teaches them better peacekeeping skills, how to back-down or avoid confrontation & fights. // Adult bitches are especially prone to tell-off or pick-on teenaged-Ms from 7 to 10-MO, but pretty much any other dog over 6-MO gives them grief, both sexes & whether they're intact or S/N - they ALL give him a hard time.

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I didn't know that but that makes a lot of sense because in the daycares I've worked at, once the males hit puberty at around 5-8 months their humping and marking behaviors intensify, and they also seem to have more issues with other male dogs- either fixed males picking on them, or they'll posture at and have stand offs with other pushy, obnoxious, and/or dominant males. The marking and humping especially, it's like they become fixated on those behaviors. Corrections from other dogs and time outs or redirection from handlers does not deter them. Some opponents of spaying and neutering will say that there's no difference between an intact dog and a fixed dog behaviorally, that fixed dogs will mark and hump, females will mark and hump, etc, but IME they do not do these behaviors with the intensity or compulsiveness that intact adolescent males do. And once those males get neutered and come back to daycare after a couple of weeks of healing, their behavior is MUCH more pleasant and appropriate. It's amazing the difference I see. So I'm glad I know why now!

ETA: Not sure about the "peace keeping" hypothesis though- we have the intact adolescent males as well as some intact adult males and their social skills seem to be poorer in general than females and fixed dogs of either gender. That's purely anecdotal though.
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(I wanted to quote someone but I'm quite new to this site, it was a reply for the person who asked what experience I have with dogs)
My family have always had dogs, but I'm only 18, we've always had small yorkies and I can't really remember what max was like as a pup but I remember him being quite naughty? (I can't remember a lot as I blocked my past out on purpose, which is completely irrelevant but unfortunately I can't remember some important stuff)
My gran has always had Shepherds ever since my mum was born ! I do spend a lot of time with hers but I can't remember them being pups either....

It's helpful seeing all these different opinions as I'm hoping to become a vet one day !
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Please remember to keep threads on topic.
The question has been asked and answered with a variety of opinions. Debates on when and if to neuter are more than welcome, please start your own topic.
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