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Old 12-15-2015, 04:15 PM
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I'm hoping that but at the same time IMT sounds pretty serious so I hope it does not come back immediately
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Old 12-17-2015, 09:53 AM
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Just another update. Oreo had her blood tested and she has full platelets but still only 31 pcv levels. The last few days she began to really have trouble standing and walking and she's hiding her head in corners and acting very off. I think it's time to have her put down as hard as it is because the vet said it's likely neurological because she is disoriented and the prednisone is not the cause. If anyone has any info or ever experienced this before please let me know. Thanks
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Old 01-06-2016, 09:42 PM
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Well its been a few weeks and anyone searching andfind this thread I will update.
December 18th we were coming to terms with putting Oreo down. She was very off and having bad side effects that were looking like neurological problems. The "quality of life" issue was the main thing and we started to make arrangements about how we would do it. The vet said not to decrease the prednisone because her PVC was low and she could relapse.
Later that day I got very frustrated with everything and decided I was going to do something one more time.
I called the vet and told her that because we were talking about putting her down, I was lowering the prednisone because there was nothing to lose.
I then spent the next 5-6 hours searching and learning about different issues and how to deal with them. I looked up different side effects and everything else I could. I came to the thought that Oreos liver was toxic from the prednisone, and she was suffering from Hepatic Encephalopathy. It was very scary, she was almost drunk like and not able to do anything on her own.
I spent the day learning about it and coming up with a plan. I stopped feeding her for half a day and let her body rest. Then I started by giving her milk thistle everyday to help with her liver function. Then the most important thing I did was I made a full meal plan of low (not too low) protein that was all plant based and NO animal meat because it was harder on the liver.
Within 2 days she was 100000 times better. She went from being ready to be put down to motoring around the house all day begging for food and attention. I am still amazed. She spend Christmas with us all and ran around, had fun and seen everyone. This was all still on 25 mg of prednisone (shes 42.5 lbs now) and a diet of rice, cottage cheese, yogurt, veggies, and some bread sometimes.
Its now been 3 weeks and we got her blood tested again today and its now fine and she has been decreased to 12.5 mgs of Prednisone.
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So obviously she doesnt have a long time to live because she is almost 15, and this did not completely fix her, but its amazing how much a healthy diet can affect the health of your dog. She goes up an down stairs now, jogs outside the yard, wags her tail whenshes happy, and LOVES eating now. All this when a few weeks ago she could not even stand up.
Im not sure how much a liver can heal itself when its damaged that far but she seems 100 times better. I hope she keeps it up with the new prednisone does, but now shes only seeing the common side effects like drinking and peeing a lot which is totally manageable for us.
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If your dog is ever on Prednisone be very very carful with them and monitor EVERYTHING they do. Issues happen so fast that unless your on top of it you will be too late. Its a nasty nasty drug and as soon as possibly should be as low a dose as possible.
I'll enjoy every day I have left with my dog and hope everyone else does too!
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Old 01-07-2016, 01:02 PM
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Glad she is doing better. I always view the use of Prednisone as a short term medication, to help the body get to a point where it can heal itself. Whenever we have had Samantha on Prednisone, it has only been for a 5 to 8 day course, which tapers toward the end of the course. You are correct, Prednisone can work wonders, or not, depending on so many variables. I can only hope that you and Oreo have a long time together, but you are realistic, in that at age 15, she is likely much closer to the end, than a younger dog. As long as she has 'quality' of life, enjoy her every day, as I'm sure she will.
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My almost 14 year old Boston terrier was put on prednisone, because he started losing use of one of his hind legs. I feel the prednisone was the nail in his coffin. I know it can be a miracle drug, but Wylie didn't do well with it at all. Within a few days of starting the prednisone, he was shaking, vomiting, and
A panting so hard, I took him to the vet, they had to give him IV fluids, and he just got worse, the next day he went back to the vet, and he had to be admitted with bad pancreatitis. He was taken off prednisone immediately, and stayed in the ICU for 3 days. When he came home, he was getting better, but a few days later he lost use of both back legs. We went back to the vet to see what else we could do, and they told us we would have to make a decision on putting him to sleep within 2 weeks. They said he would lose control of his bladder next. The very next day, he did lose his bladder, and couldn't even stand. We had to make the hardest decision of our lives in putting him to sleep. It was less than 3 weeks from the time he first showed any signs of a problem...I didn't even know they could go downhill that fast. We miss our little guy so much. Im not sure if the prednisone caused him to go downhill so fast, or if we would have lost him anyway. I didn't think we would do it again, but we recently got another Boston puppy, and it has really helped with our sense of loss, but still not a day goes by that we don't miss our Wylie.
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Old 02-02-2016, 08:03 PM
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Oreo is still doing well, shes on 15 mg prednisone and slowly doing better as weeks go on. We are going away for 10 days and family will look after her this month, so after that we are dropping her to 10 mg and see how she is.
Some things to share that are different are her diet. We tried feeding her vet brand high quality vegetarian foods because most foods didnt agree with her. I found she was not as lively when she would eat it and it was not agreeing with her. We are still sticking to just feeding her rice, cottage cheese, some yogurt, veggies, and healthy treats from the vet and she loves it and seems to live great on it still. Its super easy for us to make so it works.
Im not sure if she still has toxicity in her liver because maybe thats why the hard dog food doesnt agree with her. On the back it has many vitamins and other ingredients that might make her liver work more.
After 2-3 months we also started giving her the liquid glucosamine/chondroitin we gave her for the last 5 years because she was starting to have a bit of trouble of stairs again after a full day of going up and down them. Should make a difference in a few weeks when it gets through her system.
She seems to still love life, greets us when we are home, loves to go outside, and seems herself. Im very happy we took the time to really understand her health and what she would need because this is great to spend more time with her when we were so close to putting her down a few times
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Old 02-02-2016, 08:12 PM
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Also if anyone has an idea of another protein source that is easy on dogs without copper mostly I need something else to give her I think
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So glad you have been able to keep Oreo going as well as you have. As long as she is enjoying life, keep her going, though I know you will.
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Glad your dog is feeling better.

Just going to let you know that the plant vs animal protein thing is actually backwards. That animal proteins are bad for the organs like kidneys and liver is just a myth that popped up because of commercial pet food manufacturers. Plant-based proteins are harder on the organs and animal proteins are essential, especially for aging dogs. Feeding a mixture of raw meats and a few dog-appropriate fruits and veggies would probably be healthier. There's really nothing to lose, and if she doesn't like it or starts to feel worse then you can always switch back.

Oreo is lucky to have a caring family. So many people I know would just give up.
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I'm so glad Oreo is doing so well and feeling better. You're doing a wonderful job and clearly love her - I'm sure she feels incredibly loved and safe with you.
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