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Old 02-24-2016, 10:55 PM
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Dog allergy blues

About 6 months ago I adopted a couple of 4 year old PomChi's from a rescue. They warned me the dogs had allergies. They thought they had flea and chicken allergies. They did fine with me for a couple of months and then my boy dog stole a bit of my child's sandwich (the kid knew better) and broke out really badly. After he didn't chill out on the scratching for two weeks I took him to the vet and he ended up with a steroid shot. He got better within a couple of days (I suspect he's partially immune to them, he didn't get crazy thirst or other side effects). He was fine, then a month or so later started throwing everything up. This time there were no obvious causes, the dogs follow me everywhere and only hang out with the kid when I am around so I know it wasn't kid food this time. After a turkey and rice diet from the vet his stomach calmed down and he started eating his usual food (which they have ate for a few months at this point with no problems). A month later he starts breaking out again. I end up switching to turkey and rice dog food (limited ingredient of course) and he seems to be fine for a few weeks, but he's breaking out again. I have been giving him benedryl in case it was seasonal, but it only seems to have a mild effect. The vet said itching face is a sign of food allergies and he has been itching his face. I swapped to food with quail, but it hasn't helped. I am running out of limited ingredient food options, at least from the local store. These have all been different brands as well. They were on fish for a while, then the turkey, then quail. I have read some people have made homemade dog food for highly allergic dogs. Is there anyone with experience? Maybe recipes that are healthy in the long term? If he doesn't calm down within a few days we will be back at the vet. Unfortunately vet insurance won't cover it if they realize it's pre-existing, so I am stuck with out of pocket expenses. I have also been giving him baths with PhytoVet C.
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@BlueRoze, I feel so bad for ya. I know how it is to have a dog with severe allergies. Further down on the list of posts in this 'health' section...you will find a few posts I've had in dealing with my dog Jaya.

Last year I was just in tears as she had gouged holes in her ribs, chest and face. I figured out she has seasonal allergies as she almost stops scratching as soon as the snow is on the ground and starts right back up again as soon as the snow melts.

My vet and I are going to try something different with her this year, as, like with your dog, the steroid shots didn't even help Jaya dog for even a week.

Anyway, my vet said she found a company that will test my dog's blood, and find out what all the dog is allergic too. Then, using Jaya's own blood they make a serum...which I will give to Jaya daily...a few drops on the the tongue each day.
I talked to a woman in my little town who started her dog on this treatment and she said she's seen some improvement.

This treatment is suppose to be better than one where they take blood samples from your dog, find out what it's allergic too, then create a shot to give to the dog. From what I read about that treatment...is that the shot still contains steroids and the list of allergens...seem to be like 3 pages along all the time and generally seem to blanket everything.

The other test/serum treatment my vet is suggesting...seems to be a bit more specific and uses the dog's own bio-matter to help battle the histamine output.

Anyway... my vet...who is very inexpensive when I see what she charges and what is the national average. She told me the test would be about $200.00 and the serum which should last about 3 months will cost about $150.

IF it works...then next year, all I will have to do is have the serum made, as the blood sample test will be on file.

I sorry I don't know the name of the company or the name of that type of treatment, but you might ask your own vet about looking into it for your dog. Also, your vet might be able to find someone (either their own client or one from another vet service) who's dog is on that kind of treatment and maybe they can tell your vet how well it's working.

I'm not familiar with raw diets but some here are, and I think too, that a lot of dogs with food allergies end up doing quite well on a raw diet.

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My dogs main problem is environmental allergies and he's on Apoquel for them. So far it's been working to keep him from scratching his self raw and he doesn't seem to have any side effects from it. Benedryl was not helping him at all, and Tamaril P had him very lethargic.

If you want to home cook for your dogs then it would be best to contact a vet nutritionist since they will be on the food long term. The nutritionist will help you come up with appropriate recipes and will tell you which multi vitamin would be best to use.

PMR (prey model raw) is an easier diet to do but a bit more expensive then home cooking. Most dogs with food allergies do well on it and I know of more then one dog who's food allergies got completely under control after their owners switched to a PMR diet. If you want to try it you'd need to feed your dog 80% muscle meat 10 % bone and 10% organs, and feed a variety of proteins (fish, beef, chicken, pork, bison, venison, etc) basically whatever protein your dog is not allergic to can be fed.
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@Rain, I think it was a post you made mentioning Apoquel, that I tried it on Jaya for a few months...unfortunately, she didn't see any benefits from it. But you bring up a good point that there are a few other drugs out there that can be used.

Which brings me to the most vile thing I ever did to Jaya. I put her on prednisone....stupid stupid stupid. I was desperate, and I knew that it could have some serious side affects...but also it was suppose to be great in blocking the allergies.

Yes, it did do a great job in blocking the allergies, but almost immediately upon having Jaya on it, she about peed my carpets under, and she was drinking gallons of water...too much water is hard on the kidneys - and also this drug basically just slowly kills your dog...as it's so hard on other organs like the liver. But Jaya was so bloodied from her various self-inflicted wounds and so Miserable from the scratching, I gave the drug a try...and wished I hadn't.

Her urinating...I'm home all day, and I was letting her out to pee every half hour - I couldn't leave her out because it was so blasted hot outside -and Still several times a day she was peeing on my carpets.

Good thing I have moisture barrier pad under my carpets so the urine didn't sink into the pad, and I also have a portable spot cleaning machine....but having to clean up after her 3 or 4 times a day and letting her out so much

But the worst part of it...for her and for me, was that Jaya came to me as an abused dog who was almost feral due to isolation in a back yard for 5 years and beatings she got from her owner who would get furious when she wouldn't come to him after she would slip her collar and get loose.

It took me more than a year to get Jaya to trust me enough to come when I called her, she also had severe anxiety attacks and full panic flight through the house if startled...we were past the worst of it - she was calming down, learning to trust me a little and feeling more comfortable in my home. Two weeks into the prednisone - Jaya not only reverted back to almost where she was when I first got her, she started to growl at things that were not there. She NEVER growled...ever...prior to giving her that drug.

I found out that the drug can change personalities in people too. My best friend's brother in law is a very gentle loving person, and he took it for allergy issues, and ended up having violent episodes to the point that he slap one of his kids...something his wife and him never thought could be possible, as he's a loving, gentle father and barely ever raised his voice to his kids prior to taking that drug. As soon as he got off of it...he reverted back to his normal calm self.

I've heard a series of stories like this concerning both humans and pets that have been put on this drug. Of course, not everyone, every pet, is going to have these personality changing side affects, but I think the urination issues are always there.

Anyway...be leery of the promises of prednisone in helping your dog. Jaya took months to get back to that point where I had her in her trust levels and in being a bit more calm. But, seriously, I would rather put her to sleep than ever deal with her not scratching but having the side affects of that drug on her again, as far as urinating, personality changes and her losing her trust in me. It was pretty scary to watch her when she would just suddenly stand and growl at nothing. If there had been something there, I'm sure my cat and my other dog would have shown signs they heard something too....and that was never the case.

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@Rain, I think it was a post you made mentioning Apoquel, that I tried it on Jaya for a few months...unfortunately, she didn't see any benefits from it. But you bring up a good point that there are a few other drugs out there that can be used.

Which brings me to the most vile thing I ever did to Jaya. I put her on prednisone....stupid stupid stupid. I was desperate, and I knew that it could have some serious side affects...but also it was suppose to be great in blocking the allergies.

Yes, it did do a great job in blocking the allergies, but almost immediately upon having Jaya on it, she about peed my carpets under, and she was drinking gallons of water...too much water is hard on the kidneys - and also this drug basically just slowly kills your dog...as it's so hard on other organs like the liver. But Jaya was so bloodied from her various self-inflicted wounds and so Miserable from the scratching, I gave the drug a try...and wished I hadn't.

Her urinating...I'm home all day, and I was letting her out to pee every half hour - I couldn't leave her out because it was so blasted hot outside -and Still several times a day she was peeing on my carpets.

Good thing I have moisture barrier pad under my carpets so the urine didn't sink into the pad, and I also have a portable spot cleaning machine....but having to clean up after her 3 or 4 times a day and letting her out so much

But the worst part of it...for her and for me, was that Jaya came to me as an abused dog who was almost feral due to isolation in a back yard for 5 years and beatings she got from her owner who would get furious when she wouldn't come to him after she would slip her collar and get loose.

It took me more than a year to get Jaya to trust me enough to come when I called her, she also had severe anxiety attacks and full panic flight through the house if startled...we were past the worst of it - she was calming down, learning to trust me a little and feeling more comfortable in my home. Two weeks into the prednisone - Jaya not only reverted back to almost where she was when I first got her, she started to growl at things that were not there. She NEVER growled...ever...prior to giving her that drug.

I found out that the drug can change personalities in people too. My best friend's brother in law is a very gentle loving person, and he took it for allergy issues, and ended up having violent episodes to the point that he slap one of his kids...something his wife and him never thought could be possible, as he's a loving, gentle father and barely ever raised his voice to his kids prior to taking that drug. As soon as he got off of it...he reverted back to his normal calm self.

I've heard a series of stories like this concerning both humans and pets that have been put on this drug. Of course, not everyone, every pet, is going to have these personality changing side affects, but I think the urination issues are always there.

Anyway...be leery of the promises of prednisone in helping your dog. Jaya took months to get back to that point where I had her in her trust levels and in being a bit more calm. But, seriously, I would rather put her to sleep than ever deal with her not scratching but having the side affects of that drug on her again, as far as urinating, personality changes and her losing her trust in me. It was pretty scary to watch her when she would just suddenly stand and growl at nothing. If there had been something there, I'm sure my cat and my other dog would have shown signs they heard something too....and that was never the case.

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If you scroll down the page at this link there's an article on Apoquel and it includes info on why it does not work for all dogs. http://www.bestfriendsvet.com/Newsle...PRING-2014.pdf Apparently if it works it works great, but it's either all or nothing so if it doesn't work it doesn't help at all.

Tamaril-P includes prednisone and just on the little bit that's in it I saw such a difference in Zody, he was so lethargic it was heartbreaking and I'd let him get to the point that he was scratching and licking sores in his skin before I'd call the vet and ask for some. I can't imagine what he'd be like if it would have been a higher dose, I don't blame you for deciding that allergy relief simply isn't worth the horrible side effects, I'd have likely have made the same decision if he'd have been acting even slightly worse on it.
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my dog Jessie has had allergy issues alot from day i got her i swear they started a few days later but unsure to what as her sanitary area was going red! got told its normal then she had so many allergy issues never mind the urine ones. i found her allergic to alot of foods no dry food agrees with her so i think @Rain when mentioned she knows of more then one member who feeds prey model raw diet has helped allergies i think she meant me?

its improved things immensly only now i get horrible very offensive farts esp when fed organs! i suffer there big time lol. however her skin now and then flares up as enviromental and her feet smell rotton im hoping it isnt yeast. i was talking to her earlier and she hung up her left front paw/leg i had a look other then protien staining and smells like needs her feet washing nothing i could find was wrong.

you fed quail dry food? if so what country are you in? never heard of quail dry dog food! I do give Jessie green tripe esp on organ days twice a week and whenever i feel is needed because it truly stinks awfully. it really helped restore her guts when i went with a new supplier from pre made raw to full prey model raw and firmed her poop up etc.
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my dog Jessie has had allergy issues alot from day i got her i swear they started a few days later but unsure to what as her sanitary area was going red! got told its normal then she had so many allergy issues never mind the urine ones. i found her allergic to alot of foods no dry food agrees with her so i think @Rain when mentioned she knows of more then one member who feeds prey model raw diet has helped allergies i think she meant me?

its improved things immensly only now i get horrible very offensive farts esp when fed organs! i suffer there big time lol. however her skin now and then flares up as enviromental and her feet smell rotton im hoping it isnt yeast. i was talking to her earlier and she hung up her left front paw/leg i had a look other then protien staining and smells like needs her feet washing nothing i could find was wrong.

you fed quail dry food? if so what country are you in? never heard of quail dry dog food! I do give Jessie green tripe esp on organ days twice a week and whenever i feel is needed because it truly stinks awfully. it really helped restore her guts when i went with a new supplier from pre made raw to full prey model raw and firmed her poop up etc.
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