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Old 12-15-2017, 03:42 PM
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Castration yesterday. Technique? Convalescence?

What has my vet/vet nurse done?
I took Eddie, our rescued 8 month border collie (working line) for castrating yesterday. He had 2 testes in scrotum, so routine op. We’ve only had him 3 weeks, wanted to let him settle in a bit, before he had surgery.
When i arrived, nurse said: we’ll do his nails for you for free. I told her, they don’t need doing, as done yesterday. He has a double dew claw on both back legs, but im fine with that. She asked if i would like them removed? I said no, i only have working dogs, and all of my dogs have had dew claws, as pretty aesthetics are not important to me. She argued for removal, her reasons had no medical basis, but heard her solicited opinions, including one, that they are being bred out of dogs now so rarely see them. < her ignorance shone through here, the reason she is not seeing them, is breeders remove them in first week if present. Well, my mates that breed do if dogs are going to show homes. Problem: upon collecting him, 3 claws have been cut so short,they’ve cut the quick. On a white pawed, white clawed dog. This made me angry. Incompetence.
I chose this vet, as a) there are only 2 options and she had saved my other dogs life, post it getting a ball lodged in trachea obstructing airway 6 weeks ago. She was fantastic. Ball on rope with hole in middle i had bought, as you hear of this incident occurring, though had never met anyone whod had this happen, yet trachea swelled so rapidly, i could not pull it out. I had to keep my hand down her throat rotating the ball, to allow air in, in back of ute, as my partner drove like a loon to vets. Anyhow, that’s another dog nightmare story. Balls with holes in, DO save dogs lives. Brand -Bionic. Bright yellow colour. Having a rope on the ball does not work.
Back to eddie: when i collected him, they’d castrated by incision in abdo. Not scrotum.
After care is shocking: 2 weeks no walking, not even on leash! Keep wound dry. Elizabethan collar.
Told he’ll be rather sedated till next day, will wear off. I think she was talking about dogs in general. Eddie was his usual ecstatic self, leapt over counter at vets to jump into my arms, whilst she had him on loose leash. I asked how? How do i not walk such a dog? And IMO, was clearly drug affected, but sedation was not one of those effects. Had some nausea, dilated pupils.
He’s only 3 weeks into crate training. And at 1.5hrs max. I don’t feel its fair to keep him crated for 2 weeks with toilet breaks.
These pups, live in house with us. And play together heaps. Helps burn off energy they both have oodles of. Swimming is their usual exercise, plus training for mental exercise. Im upset, thinking of how upset he’ll be in this period of convalescence. Any ideas of how to do this?
is it really required? He is ncow 24hrs past his last exercise, and very hectic once more. Lost his off switch already.
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Old 12-15-2017, 04:27 PM
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I'd cut back on the exercise, but I wouldn't get rid of it completely by any means. Only use the collar if he seems to be bothering the area, otherwise it's fine.

When my parents' Aussie got neutered, he was back to his normal self within a day. They gave us pain meds, he took those for a couple of days and then he was perfectly fine. My 13 year old Aussie was spayed and she was much the same way. When my terrier mix was spayed (different vet) they didn't give us any pain meds and she was in noticeably more pain and it took her MUCH longer to get back on her feet - even then, no more than a week.

Neutering is generally a pretty simple procedure. I'd be upset as well if they cut my dogs' nails after being told not to, especially if they injured the poor dog in the process. I guess you're lucky they didn't remove the dew claws.

You say you have two vets in the area: how bad is the other one?

We had a family vet that we generally liked pretty well, even though her practice had some shortcomings. When I got Chisum, though, I had to cut ties - it turned out that she just wasn't experienced/willing/accepting of dogs with anxiety issues and wasn't going to budge at all to provide support (he didn't do anything wrong - she wouldn't even start the process of getting bloodwork done). She saved a couple of our cats and I'll be grateful for that, but overall she just wasn't what my dogs needed anymore. Granted, I'm lucky enough to live in a town with a vet school, so no shortage of vets here!
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Question Was he a cryptorchid? - one down, one up, or both up?

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He has an abdominal incision.
It goes clear thru the wall of the body, all the muscle & layers of skin are severed.

Like any F post-spay, yes, he MUST be on-leash at all times, when out of the crate;
he cannot play with the other dogs [b/c he'll pop stitches,
plus THEY'll lick his incision when his E-cone prevents him from reaching it, himself].

He cannot jump onto or off of ANYthing for 2-weeks.
The bed, sofa, a short wall by the sidewalk, public benches - nothing.

All stairs are ON leash, & every step on the staircase, he WALKS on - no hopping, no 3-steps at a time uphill.

here's a copy of aftercare -
https://www.petmd.com/dog/care/spay-...-you-need-know

Note that his instructions are the same as 'Spayed F' - not the ones for post-neuter / scrotal incision.
If need be, ask the vet for sedatives - & yes, i'm serious. // Having his intestines poke thru his abdominal wall would be very un-cool. Keeping him calm is important, & *away* from the other dogs. . Sorry - i know it's going to be a fortnight of H***, but his safety & health are on the line.

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Old 12-15-2017, 05:30 PM
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BTW, he can walk as far as U're willing to take him, on leash - no jogging, no running, but walk, sure.

I've taken spayed Fs for hour-long walks one-way, & back again - U just have to watch for loose dogs running up on U.

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Thanks leashedforlife, just got back from a stroll with him. Nothing like usual exercise, but he got to sniff, and track a bit, stalk a grasshopper and eat it. Now led at my side sleeping

sedatives: you'd need a horse tranquilliser to sedate this dog. i picked him up 2hrs post surgery, and he was leaping around. I reckon his respiratory system would collapse before he did
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I agree- given the abdominal incision, limiting exercise is really important. Certainly no play with other dogs, no free running, no swimming, and limit jumping as much as possible. I would personally not be taking him on much leashed walks either- an abdominal incision is a serious thing that needs rest to heal.

Is this the first dog you've had altered? 2 weeks limited activity/leashed walks only is pretty typical for both spay and neuter. Certainly it's more common in spays, but given his incision is abdominal I'd be treating it more like a spay anyways.

I had to do a 2 week limited activity period with my high energy field bred lab pup when he hurt his shoulder. He went from his crate to his X-pen, had maybe 2 or 3 short leashed walks a day, went out for potty breaks, and that was it. He got all his food from puzzle toys or training, and got at least 2 enrichment treats a day (usually 1 pupsickle and a frozen kong). Shaping can help get mental energy out. Luckily this dog had been trained with both crate and x-pen as a pup, so that helped, but I do agree containment is important for at least the first week after surgery, especially when there are other dogs in the house they usually play with.
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Well, well, the plot thickens.
I took a good look, in daylight (im partically sighted) at his 'abdo' wound. It was not an abdo wound, it was a scratch about 1 inch long. So then checked out his scrotum, and there was a tiny 2 x suture wound!

This is the only Dog ive desexed. I tend to keep males entire, and i personally consider desexing males, for my home and lifestyle, as a elective surgery, so dont. But as the bitch is not being desexed yet, poor Eddie's bits had to go.

He's recovered fine, wound is healed/sealed, and he's back in the damn swimming/lounging / keeping cool, its 43 degrees here now. (110) so vital.
I have containment areas, that have 6 foot fencing, that has kept every GSD and Rottie ive owned in. Eddie sails over the fence with a foot clearance! Yikes!
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Thumbs up good thing U found it now, rather than Day 2 or 3...

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in that case, leaping 6-ft fences, it's just as well he did NOT have an abdo-incision, AND that U only discovered the scrotal incisions on Day 9 -
had Eddie been sailing over fences in the 1st 5 days, he might well have had an excruciatingly painful reminder of the recent desex, in the form of a large ugly haemotoma in one or both sides of the scrotum, resembling a peeled blood-orange & making it impossible to sit, walk, or lie down in comfort, except in Sphinx pose, with his deeply-flexed hind legs keeping his swollen sack off the ground.

A neighbor of mine blatantly ignored the vet's WRITTEN post-desex recovery guidelines, let her 9-MO Berner continue to play & run & wrestle with other 120# dog-buddies, & he had precisely that problem -
she blamed her VET for the painful consequences, & her poor dog had to have the scrotum drained, a drain installed, & a pressure-dressing applied, with strict orders to keep him quiet for a further 2-weeks.
She was not happy, but blast it, the whole disaster was her own doggone fault.
Poor fella.

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