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Old 12-03-2015, 02:41 PM
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Sorry been a couple days since I've posted. I just recently started working a new job and have been in training. I wasn't happy with the results of the first vet visit and wanted a second opinion. I am shamelessly going to copy and paste two posts from another forum where I also frequent that I posted updates from both vet visits.

This was posted on 11/30/2015; Ok so we have to wait til at least tomorrow for the urinalysis results. His yeast infections have returned in both ears after only 2 weeks. We are upping the benadryl to 2x a day instead of once and daily cleaning and ear drops for the next 10 days. $200 later and I'm still worried about my boy. He seems to be acting, eating, drinking and playing like normal. I'm just a worry wort I guess.

We showed up at the vets at 7:15, They open at 7. Apparently though the Dr.s don't get there until 8. He enjoys the vet though. I always make sure and sit near the entrance so he gets to politely greet everyone that comes in. He especially loves meeting new kitties.

12/01/2015 ; Well, they called the wife they said there were crystals in his urine. They want to do an ultrasound to check his kidneys and bladder. She said they wanted to get him on a diet that changes the balance of his urine? Apparently they are going to call back in the morning...

12/02/2015; Ok so talked with the vet. She say they are cystine crystals in the urine and there may be stones in the kidney or liver. She recommends having an ultrasound done for one and a kidney panel for two. She wanted to put him on an antibiotic even though she said there was no bacteria in his UA. She also said she thinks that neutering my Hank will help and that I should put him on a low protein diet of prescription only food that will also change the ph of his urine. She didn't even mention that it could be a hereditary disease, Cystinuria (thanks google).

I'm getting a second opinion at another vet tomorrow morning before I have to go to work.

And the update from today ; Ok got a second opinion. For sure it's cystine crystals. The vet said there isn't a way to test for cystinuria but that they(the crystals) are rare to have(without the disease) and there is prob a good bet he has it. She said that neutering wouldn't affect it one way or the other, that it was more of a preventative measure so as to not breed pups that could have the disease or be carriers of the gene.

I guess the next step is to have an x ray and/or ultrasound done to see if there is a presence of stones in the bladder or kidneys. Not all stones can be seen in either one or the other and sometimes both.

Both vets said basically that there are two ways people try and manage the disease, diet and medication. Hills U/D is an ultra low protein diet that also alkalinizes the urine. But there is mixed information whether this actually works or not to prevent stones from forming and it's also $75 for a 27.5lb bag. Also apparently it can also cause other types of stones to form that only form in alkalinized urine. There is also some debate as to whether an ultra low protein diet is even healthy for large breed dogs. The other option is something called Thiola but is apparently very expensive for large breed dogs and can have adverse side effects. The vet said she was going to research the data a little more and let me know her findings. I found an article that talk about this subject a little more in case anyone wants to read more about this Canine Cystinuria Treatment

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Old 12-04-2015, 07:21 AM
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I am sorry to hear about Hank but glad you have an answer so you can help to manage his symptoms.
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Well, Hank is having a very hard time passing urine and is refusing kibble. I've managed to get him to eat a pizza crust, a little ham, and some pieces of hotdog but not much. He is scheduled for an ultrasound on wednesday.

He broke a window trying to get outside to get my girl Roxy. He has cuts under his nails going into the pads of his paws from pawing the glass after he broke it with his face. He's broken that window once before about 2 weeks ago. This time he destroyed my door before doing it again.

I know I'm really new here and you all don't know me from Adam but my wife and I have been going through a very rough patch financially. Everytime we seem we are going to be ok, something happens. Like Hank getting diagnosed with cystinuria... Destroying our house including demolishing windows and doors to impregnate our 11 month old female in her first heat... among other things, like our main water line breaking under the house and leaking a $1500 water bill that we haven't been able to pay for a few months now.

Anyways, long story short I've set up a gofundme account in hopes that people would be kind enough to help us pay our medical bills for our "children". My wife and I can't have children so our dogs are our fur babies. Any little bit helps and I go into more detail in the gofundme description and also there are links there to posts I've made chronicling some of our troubles we've faced recently.

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I cleaned Hank's paws with peroxide and then put neosporin and some of my wife's socks on him to keep him from licking his paws. He's in his "don't look at me, don't talk to me spot" now. He's not very happy with me but I'm worried sick about him. He's limping around and won't get one the couches or his chair because it puts pressure on his nails which opens the cuts he has more.
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Well, Hank is having a very hard time passing urine and is refusing kibble. I've managed to get him to eat a pizza crust, a little ham, and some pieces of hotdog but not much. He is scheduled for an ultrasound on wednesday.

He broke a window trying to get outside to get my girl Roxy. He has cuts under his nails going into the pads of his paws from pawing the glass after he broke it with his face. He's broken that window once before about 2 weeks ago. This time he destroyed my door before doing it again.

I know I'm really new here and you all don't know me from Adam but my wife and I have been going through a very rough patch financially. Everytime we seem we are going to be ok, something happens. Like Hank getting diagnosed with cystinuria... Destroying our house including demolishing windows and doors to impregnate our 11 month old female in her first heat... among other things, like our main water line breaking under the house and leaking a $1500 water bill that we haven't been able to pay for a few months now.

Anyways, long story short I've set up a gofundme account in hopes that people would be kind enough to help us pay our medical bills for our "children". My wife and I can't have children so our dogs are our fur babies. Any little bit helps and I go into more detail in the gofundme description and also there are links there to posts I've made chronicling some of our troubles we've faced recently.
Im not surprised he has trouble passing urine because crystals are more painful then a UTI. you could try a cranberry supplement to try help, can you get urinaid there? that did help Jessie for ages and could aid him to pee also apple cider vinegar may or may not help but id try cranberry supplement first.

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Here is a detailed article on preventing and treating struvite crystals in dogs:

Canine Kidney Stone and Bladder Stone Prevention - Whole Dog Journal Article

It is quite possible that this issue started with a UTI, and @crazy's suggestion is a good one. So, I would try cranberry capsules, probiotics and vitamin C (if he were my precious mastiff). D-Mannose is a supplement often used to help with UTI infection.

Anyway, I hope you take the time to read the above article.
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Vitamin c and cranberry very good for dogs urine and crystals but so is D mannose , and cranberry. Id try these first before prescription diet tbh if possible
Benefits of Vitamin C to Your Dog - Whole Dog Journal Article

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Jessie once had crystals , cystitis and urine infections it was a battle with the vet we registered her with when got her till found current vet even then he ran out of ideas eventually so i was researching on google ways to help Jessie
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Ok, so we saw another Vet at Vista Larga today and she said that Hank had an infection in his bladder and that his prostate was swollen causing it to be difficult to urinate. She gave us an rx for Cephalexin 500mg 2x daily and she gave us Chlorhexidine Solution to soak his paw paws. We still are going in on Wed. for the ultrasound to see about stones or not. Hoping for the best! This vet says if we see improvement in his urination by then, then there is a good chance it's not a stone that is blocking his urethra.

Thanks for the help everyone. We appreciate the concern and all the advice. At this point we are willing to try anything to help our boy feel better.
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oh poor thing and you! id def get cranberry capsules/powder to promote healthy bladder and id get some kefir if poss whilst on this Cephalexin which btw Jessie had multiple times before. i sure hope it helps him. gosh prostate too? what a nightmare you are going through!
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Ironically just a couple months ago, we had a mastiff come into the clinic for cystine stones. He had one lodged into his urethra. Luckily we were able to flush it back into the bladder, and then do a cystotomy, which is a procedure where the vet surgically opens the bladder and removes the stones.

Glad you are getting it investigated further. A doctor that is familiar with reading ultrasound should be able to identify stones, but they are more definitely diagnosed via X-ray because they show up clear as day. Sometimes small stones and crystals are hard to distinguish on ultrasound. If you can only do one or the other, I'd do an x-ray.
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