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Old 12-22-2017, 09:31 PM
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Yes, an x-ray of their lungs shows it. I've had two cats with asthma. My cat with allergies was coughing a lot after his allergy shots so I brought him in and chest x rays showed asthma. His dermatologist said because it was worse around the allergy injections it could be allergy induced asthma.
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I agree with all of this but I don't know how to find the root of the problem. I don't think it's food allergies but it's winter here and she still has the scratching/rubbing/licking. :-(

Correct. Also, knock on wood....with all the rubbing, scratching and licking, there hasn't been any signs of a skin problem.

I like the idea of natural methods and spirulina sounds interesting. But, I have to find something that works soon? I'm worried that it's getting out of hand and I'm worried about 'something showing up' eventually. I don't want any skin problems.

I read that Apoquel can be harmful but the steroids in Vanectyl-P is, too?

Do you or does anyone think that, perhaps, apple cider vinegar and/or flax seed oiil might help? Is it safe to try a combination of spirulina, flax seed oil and apple cider vinegar (to food/water)? I would like to find a natural method/treatment that works rather than these medications if possible. I am paranoid and worried about one of these meds (from the vet) 'working' but then the side effect or 'con' being something harmful that contributes to deteriorated health later on.

It doesn't seem to matter what the season is (here). It was summer and she was scratching/rubbing etc. and she got the steroid. She did it less. A lot less. Now, it's winter in (Ontario) Canada and she is at it again and the coincidence is that the steroid was stopped recently - she was weaned off a little while ago. The Vet said it was not good to go long-term with it but was willing to issue a new prescription but I kinda don't want to.

I am also worried that it might be something in the apartment - but, I have no idea how to figure it out or how to test. I read stuff online but there's so many 'just do these tests' and skeptics saying it doesn't work. I read stuff about NAET but trying to find a holistic vet in this area (that would treat allergies naturally) is like trying to find a needle in a hay stack.

Edit: If it was a food alergy, how would I even know? I have tried prepared raw chicken, turkey, rabbit and beef. It didn't seem to matter. I did feed chicken for a long time so if she became allergic to chicken, okay, but then the scratching/rubbing etc. should stop when I go away from that protein source, right? But, there didn't seem to be a difference when I did so I was inclined to think it's environmental or something else other than food.

I was hoping there was a test that would help but I am reading that the tests aren't very reliable or helpful so that's probably why my vet didn't suggest this? Also, I think they are expensive? I am unsure of what to do but I would like to try a natural treatment method.
Spirulina and ACV is fine, but stay away from flaxseed...its an inflammatory.
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Again allergy testing is the only way to tell for sure with environmental allergies which ones she has. She could have a lot. Several vets and the dermatologist have told me the environmental allergies testing is pretty accurate.
It takes weeks for the symptoms to cease once you remove all exposure to a known allergen, even with allergy relief medications. If she's allergic to multiple things like my cat and dog are you never know what might help because of constant reexposure.
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Yes, an x-ray of their lungs shows it. I've had two cats with asthma. My cat with allergies was coughing a lot after his allergy shots so I brought him in and chest x rays showed asthma. His dermatologist said because it was worse around the allergy injections it could be allergy induced asthma.
I believe Samantha has allergy induced asthma, but its something she inhales, so its pretty difficult to keep her away from it. Winds have died down, and she is coughing significantly less, like not at all, or maybe one or two coughs a day, maybe. Will talk to our Vet, but I really don't want to put her on meds, when its so sporadic.
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Spirulina and ACV is fine, but stay away from flaxseed...its an inflammatory.
Okay. I need to buy some Spirulina. I already have ACV.

Also, what food should I buy? Is the prepared raw okay that I get? I need new food, now, so is it bad to buy Beef again? I base that on the idea that it's recommended to change up the protein source. Should I move to a different protein source? I guess I should avoid getting chicken for now? Is Turkey no good - it's also a poultry protein source but the one in the same brand, is Turkey and Sardines.

The other choices are lamb, pork and rabbit.

How much does allergy testing cost? I was wondering if there is a difference with Canadian vs American vets - my dog has had the allergies a while - I posted before and the vet thought she was rubbing her head/eyes because of a dental problem. She did have some dental work done. But, the rubbing/licking etc. never went away. Any, long story made short, she does conclude it's allergies but we still don't know the root cause - therefore, the Vanectyl-P was prescribed.

If Allergy testing is common and the best method to figure out the problem, I am wondering why it wasn't suggested to me. I'm worried that there is a cost factor and the vet might say it's hard to determine from the tests - but, I'm told here that it's pretty accurate for environmental allergies. I don't think it's a food allergy as I have tried most foods and there's not much difference.... the biggest difference was when she was taking the medication but I agree, that only masks the problem and it's not healthy/safe long-term.

I'll ask about a test in the morning. Thanks for all the info and help.
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Okay. I need to buy some Spirulina. I already have ACV.

Also, what food should I buy? Is the prepared raw okay that I get? I need new food, now, so is it bad to buy Beef again? I base that on the idea that it's recommended to change up the protein source. Should I move to a different protein source? I guess I should avoid getting chicken for now? Is Turkey no good - it's also a poultry protein source but the one in the same brand, is Turkey and Sardines.

The other choices are lamb, pork and rabbit.

How much does allergy testing cost? I was wondering if there is a difference with Canadian vs American vets - my dog has had the allergies a while - I posted before and the vet thought she was rubbing her head/eyes because of a dental problem. She did have some dental work done. But, the rubbing/licking etc. never went away. Any, long story made short, she does conclude it's allergies but we still don't know the root cause - therefore, the Vanectyl-P was prescribed.

If Allergy testing is common and the best method to figure out the problem, I am wondering why it wasn't suggested to me. I'm worried that there is a cost factor and the vet might say it's hard to determine from the tests - but, I'm told here that it's pretty accurate for environmental allergies. I don't think it's a food allergy as I have tried most foods and there's not much difference.... the biggest difference was when she was taking the medication but I agree, that only masks the problem and it's not healthy/safe long-term.

I'll ask about a test in the morning. Thanks for all the info and help.
When you buy spirulina, check around and find a good brand. Quality will cost more, but you get what you pay for.

As far as the food, if you are buying commercial pre made raw, be sure it contains bone and organ, and it would be good to switch up proteins.

Turkey is fine.
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When you buy spirulina, check around and find a good brand. Quality will cost more, but you get what you pay for.

As far as the food, if you are buying commercial pre made raw, be sure it contains bone and organ, and it would be good to switch up proteins.

Turkey is fine.
Thanks. It's good to know and that one is pretty cheap, at least compared to the other protein sources.

How do I know which are a higher quality? Try to find ones that are only 100% organic spirulina?

I have found one or two but the shipping is too crazy - I guess it's a large weight. It's usually powder. E.g.

https://www.amazon.ca/Wholistic-Pet-...ulina+for+dogs

The problem is the Canadian shipping issue - shipping to Canada is often very high when the product is coming in from the USA.

Did you buy the wafers from the vendor in the link you posted, Springtime?

I looked at that site and the 180 wafers are an okay price (I guess it will get converted to Canadian funds) but I don't know how much the shipping will be. I tried initializing the payment process via paypal and it doesn't seem to show - it goes right to the payment method and 'continue.' I just don't want any surprises.

There's this one, too, but it doesn't seem available from the website, only retailers?:
https://www.carnivora.ca/html/featur...gins/index.cfm

Not having much luck finding a product, let alone finding a high quality product. :-/
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An update:
I contacted them and I was given the shipping cost...just under $27! So, that is out, unfortunately. That's a reoccurring problem, shipping costs from companies in the USA to Canada, is often very expensive. It would cost twice the price of the product to just get it here. :-(

My local pet store has spirulina but it's in powder form. That's still okay, right? It's $26 plus tax.

I need dog food and that's where I get my raw food so I'm going to take a look at it.
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Thanks. It's good to know and that one is pretty cheap, at least compared to the other protein sources.

How do I know which are a higher quality? Try to find ones that are only 100% organic spirulina?

I have found one or two but the shipping is too crazy - I guess it's a large weight. It's usually powder. E.g.

https://www.amazon.ca/Wholistic-Pet-...ulina+for+dogs

The problem is the Canadian shipping issue - shipping to Canada is often very high when the product is coming in from the USA.

Did you buy the wafers from the vendor in the link you posted, Springtime?

I looked at that site and the 180 wafers are an okay price (I guess it will get converted to Canadian funds) but I don't know how much the shipping will be. I tried initializing the payment process via paypal and it doesn't seem to show - it goes right to the payment method and 'continue.' I just don't want any surprises.

There's this one, too, but it doesn't seem available from the website, only retailers?:
https://www.carnivora.ca/html/featur...gins/index.cfm

Not having much luck finding a product, let alone finding a high quality product. :-/
Keep in mind red meats are the most nutrious, and the more you can rotate the better.

Yes, I get the buy two get one free wafers from springtime. They have lots of different size options to choose from. That's just the one I have been getting. If you don't go with springtime, just research where others come from. Quality spirulina won't be cheap, but if whatever one you get works, that's great. I would say springtime is the cheapest I have found at the moment, and they are a reputable company.
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Keep in mind red meats are the most nutrious, and the more you can rotate the better.

Yes, I get the buy two get one free wafers from springtime. They have lots of different size options to choose from. That's just the one I have been getting. If you don't go with springtime, just research where others come from. Quality spirulina won't be cheap, but if whatever one you get works, that's great. I would say springtime is the cheapest I have found at the moment, and they are a reputable company.
They have pork, rabbit, lamb....beef....and venison - the red meats?

My plan is to go to one of those after the Turkey/Sardines.

I checked out the spirulina...it's a powder..... exactly, this:
https://www.nowfoods.ca/supplements/...der-organic-ca

The 'Certified Organic' version is sold on Amazon.
https://www.amazon.ca/NOW-Organic-Sp.../dp/B000MGR1U4

It's not 'forumulated' or prepared for dogs....so, in theory, I could look at other ones?

The 'Maju' one says 'California Grown.' Anyway, I am confused about all this.... I didn't really want it from China but the Now company seems to say it's from India....

I don't know if you can 'choose' the origin ....and as for quality, I said before, I don't know how to tell. How can you tell Springtime has good quality? There's very little info on the site.

Really confusing...

Also, the shipping is too expensive or I would buy it from there (if I could be confident the quality is good). But, it's $8 for you but $26 for me....
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