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Old 12-10-2017, 05:19 PM
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My dog has allergies but I'm not sure what it's from.

She was getting meds (Vanectyl-P) for it....a steroid....but, I was advised to wean her off....

But, since she has been off them...she is licking/scratching herself again.

I was going to give her a bath soon.... not sure if that will help at all but if it doesn't help or only a little, then what?

I think the vet might put her back on the meds....she seemed to stop the licking and scratching so that was good. She mostly licks her paws and scratches.... as if she has fleas....but, it's allergies, I would bet.

I was wondering if there is med that is used for when the vets think it is related to yeast....but, is the med I'm using part of targeting that, too?

I appreciate any help or advice. I feel bad for letting her lick/scratch for so long... I'm just not sure what to do and it does get expensive. I'll try to do something this week. I'll probably be buying more meds, right? It's not good to have her on them long term but I didn't seem to get too many options.
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To add: I have tried different foods....although, I used prepared raw.... different protein sources....turkey, duck, rabbit.... it didn't matter. I wanted to try a fish protein...but, there wasn't any that was just fish.
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The meds are only going to continue to mask the symptoms rather than fix anything. That's why they return after the meds are done. The only way to actually fix the problem is to find the root of the problem. It could be food related, or environmental, and it all comes down to a process of elimination to find it. Either way, the results may not be immediate, it may take weeks or months.
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Has the vet only given meds for the scratching hasn't the vet find anything wrong with her, like her skin or something?
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My dog has allergies but I'm not sure what it's from.

She was getting meds (Vanectyl-P) for it....a steroid....but, I was advised to wean her off....

But, since she has been off them...she is licking/scratching herself again.

I was going to give her a bath soon.... not sure if that will help at all but if it doesn't help or only a little, then what?

I think the vet might put her back on the meds....she seemed to stop the licking and scratching so that was good. She mostly licks her paws and scratches.... as if she has fleas....but, it's allergies, I would bet.

I was wondering if there is med that is used for when the vets think it is related to yeast....but, is the med I'm using part of targeting that, too?

I appreciate any help or advice. I feel bad for letting her lick/scratch for so long... I'm just not sure what to do and it does get expensive. I'll try to do something this week. I'll probably be buying more meds, right? It's not good to have her on them long term but I didn't seem to get too many options.
If changing the food did not help then it's likely to be environmental allergies. That's what my dog had and like your dog I'd put him on medicine only to have him be back to the scratching as soon as he was off of them. In his case he was on Tamaril-P, which is an antihistamine paired with Prednisone. The trouble was it turned him into a zombie dog who had little interest in life. I also know that Pred is very hard on the dog's organs. Bathing him in Hylyt shampoo helped a little, along with wiping him down when he came in from outside, but once allergy season started in full force nothing helped and he'd scratch himself raw if he was not on the medicine. I tried benedryl but that only worked at the beginning of allergy season.

My vet finally prescribed apoquel. If it works it does a great job, if it doesn't then it's no good. Luckily it works for my boy. I'd recommend talking to your vet about putting your dog on it. I will warn you that it's on the expensive side. I'm lucky in that Zody is only 9 lbs so I can give him half a pill. 20 pills run around $40, so I pay $20 a month since he takes half a pill once a day. I've also learned that I can take him off of it in the winter when all the grass and weeds are dead and nothing is blooming.
@naturalfeddogs, says she has one of her dogs on spirulina for allergies, so that's another thing you could try. I've been looking into it and plan on at least giving it a try next Spring, it falls under it can't hurt and might help. Another thing that some people try is colostrum, I'm honestly on the fence with it, but it's worth a try if it gets the dog off of medicine that messes with the immune system.

Good luck to you and your dog!
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The meds are only going to continue to mask the symptoms rather than fix anything. That's why they return after the meds are done. The only way to actually fix the problem is to find the root of the problem. It could be food related, or environmental, and it all comes down to a process of elimination to find it. Either way, the results may not be immediate, it may take weeks or months.
I agree with all of this but I don't know how to find the root of the problem. I don't think it's food allergies but it's winter here and she still has the scratching/rubbing/licking. :-(

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Has the vet only given meds for the scratching hasn't the vet find anything wrong with her, like her skin or something?
Correct. Also, knock on wood....with all the rubbing, scratching and licking, there hasn't been any signs of a skin problem.

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If changing the food did not help then it's likely to be environmental allergies. That's what my dog had and like your dog I'd put him on medicine only to have him be back to the scratching as soon as he was off of them. In his case he was on Tamaril-P, which is an antihistamine paired with Prednisone. The trouble was it turned him into a zombie dog who had little interest in life. I also know that Pred is very hard on the dog's organs. Bathing him in Hylyt shampoo helped a little, along with wiping him down when he came in from outside, but once allergy season started in full force nothing helped and he'd scratch himself raw if he was not on the medicine. I tried benedryl but that only worked at the beginning of allergy season.

My vet finally prescribed apoquel. If it works it does a great job, if it doesn't then it's no good. Luckily it works for my boy. I'd recommend talking to your vet about putting your dog on it. I will warn you that it's on the expensive side. I'm lucky in that Zody is only 9 lbs so I can give him half a pill. 20 pills run around $40, so I pay $20 a month since he takes half a pill once a day. I've also learned that I can take him off of it in the winter when all the grass and weeds are dead and nothing is blooming.
@naturalfeddogs, says she has one of her dogs on spirulina for allergies, so that's another thing you could try. I've been looking into it and plan on at least giving it a try next Spring, it falls under it can't hurt and might help. Another thing that some people try is colostrum, I'm honestly on the fence with it, but it's worth a try if it gets the dog off of medicine that messes with the immune system.

Good luck to you and your dog!
I like the idea of natural methods and spirulina sounds interesting. But, I have to find something that works soon? I'm worried that it's getting out of hand and I'm worried about 'something showing up' eventually. I don't want any skin problems.

I read that Apoquel can be harmful but the steroids in Vanectyl-P is, too?

Do you or does anyone think that, perhaps, apple cider vinegar and/or flax seed oiil might help? Is it safe to try a combination of spirulina, flax seed oil and apple cider vinegar (to food/water)? I would like to find a natural method/treatment that works rather than these medications if possible. I am paranoid and worried about one of these meds (from the vet) 'working' but then the side effect or 'con' being something harmful that contributes to deteriorated health later on.

It doesn't seem to matter what the season is (here). It was summer and she was scratching/rubbing etc. and she got the steroid. She did it less. A lot less. Now, it's winter in (Ontario) Canada and she is at it again and the coincidence is that the steroid was stopped recently - she was weaned off a little while ago. The Vet said it was not good to go long-term with it but was willing to issue a new prescription but I kinda don't want to.

I am also worried that it might be something in the apartment - but, I have no idea how to figure it out or how to test. I read stuff online but there's so many 'just do these tests' and skeptics saying it doesn't work. I read stuff about NAET but trying to find a holistic vet in this area (that would treat allergies naturally) is like trying to find a needle in a hay stack.

Edit: If it was a food alergy, how would I even know? I have tried prepared raw chicken, turkey, rabbit and beef. It didn't seem to matter. I did feed chicken for a long time so if she became allergic to chicken, okay, but then the scratching/rubbing etc. should stop when I go away from that protein source, right? But, there didn't seem to be a difference when I did so I was inclined to think it's environmental or something else other than food.

I was hoping there was a test that would help but I am reading that the tests aren't very reliable or helpful so that's probably why my vet didn't suggest this? Also, I think they are expensive? I am unsure of what to do but I would like to try a natural treatment method.

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Oh, P.S. She's small, just under 10 lbs. Her weight this month was about 9.6 lbs.
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I agree with all of this but I don't know how to find the root of the problem. I don't think it's food allergies but it's winter here and she still has the scratching/rubbing/licking. :-(

Correct. Also, knock on wood....with all the rubbing, scratching and licking, there hasn't been any signs of a skin problem.

I like the idea of natural methods and spirulina sounds interesting. But, I have to find something that works soon? I'm worried that it's getting out of hand and I'm worried about 'something showing up' eventually. I don't want any skin problems.

I read that Apoquel can be harmful but the steroids in Vanectyl-P is, too?

Do you or does anyone think that, perhaps, apple cider vinegar and/or flax seed oiil might help? Is it safe to try a combination of spirulina, flax seed oil and apple cider vinegar (to food/water)? I would like to find a natural method/treatment that works rather than these medications if possible. I am paranoid and worried about one of these meds (from the vet) 'working' but then the side effect or 'con' being something harmful that contributes to deteriorated health later on.

It doesn't seem to matter what the season is (here). It was summer and she was scratching/rubbing etc. and she got the steroid. She did it less. A lot less. Now, it's winter in (Ontario) Canada and she is at it again and the coincidence is that the steroid was stopped recently - she was weaned off a little while ago. The Vet said it was not good to go long-term with it but was willing to issue a new prescription but I kinda don't want to.

I am also worried that it might be something in the apartment - but, I have no idea how to figure it out or how to test. I read stuff online but there's so many 'just do these tests' and skeptics saying it doesn't work. I read stuff about NAET but trying to find a holistic vet in this area (that would treat allergies naturally) is like trying to find a needle in a hay stack.

Edit: If it was a food alergy, how would I even know? I have tried prepared raw chicken, turkey, rabbit and beef. It didn't seem to matter. I did feed chicken for a long time so if she became allergic to chicken, okay, but then the scratching/rubbing etc. should stop when I go away from that protein source, right? But, there didn't seem to be a difference when I did so I was inclined to think it's environmental or something else other than food.

I was hoping there was a test that would help but I am reading that the tests aren't very reliable or helpful so that's probably why my vet didn't suggest this? Also, I think they are expensive? I am unsure of what to do but I would like to try a natural treatment method.
If it's not food, it's environmental so you want to use an antihistamine. A few of my crew have environmental allergies, and I have put them on spirulina. I saw a difference after the first dose. Here's where I get mine, and for a dog the size of yours it would last a long time...http://springtimeinc.com
Look under the dog section, they have it there along with info about spirulina.
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The environmental allergies testing is fairly accurate at least according to the vets and dermatologist around here. They also say the food testing is not as accurate. If you're eliminating food sources and feeding a really limitrdd novel protein diet of one or two ingredients at a time for weeks at a time and there's still symptoms then there's probably environmental allergies. But it takes weeks for the initial sympathy to subside.
The best thing I did was to get my cat who's allergic to everything, foods and multiple environmental things, tested for all allergens. I found out the rest and have been giving him immunotherapy injections. They also come in liquid form but he'd also awful about liquids he drools and spits. These only address the environmental allergies. It's natural because they make up the things that he's actually allergic to and he gets injections in gradually increasing doses to help his immune system.
I still have to feed him a limited protein diet. He won't eat prescription foods. He tested positive for allergies to salmon and pork which makes sense because he ate a kit if those two things all his life. I know they say the food allergy tests aren't that reliable but I'm not going to feed him things he's testing positive to regardless.

So I'd do the allergy testing and the immunotherapy treatments. If your dog is constantly exposed to allergens in the environment it's hard to get better without helping the immune system get used to it. My cat was scratching himself raw and constantly had awful huge sores.
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Allergies come in so many different flavors. Samantha, I have concluded, is allergic to something in the air, which gets her coughing. I'm beginning to put together that when we have wind storms, which we have had lots of this year, something blows in from somewhere that gets her coughing. Typically she will cough for several days, then not at all for periods of time. though she has had this for a long time, its much worse this year, but then so are the winds. Going to talk to our Vet, but I am reluctant to just put her on meds, if I can avoid it. Its almost like she has asthma. Do dogs get asthma? I didn't think they did, but???? It certainly has no effect on her appetite, she is seriously in love with her food.
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